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MathTeacher, post: 443577, member: 7674 wrote: But think how that would have played out had Uber been privately held with Kalanick as the majority owner. Forget the notion that Uber could not have been built without outside investors, just think about the power he would have wielded compared to the power he yielded.
I'm afraid you can't ignore the desire of corporate owners to access large sums of money from public stock offerings. That dynamic of wanting to capture investor dollars and to then continue to increase one's personal share of it after the initial public sale of stock is what drives most start-up corporations like Uber.
So, the question boils down to a fairly straightforward one: if you want large publically-held corporations to behave ethically and with a view of serving some common good over a long period of time, how do you do it? I don't think that the answer is terribly difficult to see or describe.
Kent McMillan, post: 443579, member: 3 wrote: ...So, the question boils down to a fairly straightforward one: if you want large publically-held corporations to behave ethically and with a view of serving some common good over a long period of time, how do you do it? I don't think that the answer is terribly difficult to see or describe.
I know what you mean Kent. I like to make sure my money goes where it's suppose to. And I'm sure, like me, you probably buy your gasoline from the Orphan Children's Charity of the Archdiocese. 😉
paden cash, post: 443581, member: 20 wrote: I know what you mean Kent. I like to make sure my money goes where it's suppose to. And I'm sure, like me, you probably buy your gasoline from the Orphan Children's Charity of the Archdiocese.
So, shall we mark you down as not thinking that large corporations ought to act as responsible citizens if they are to be treated as persons for legal purposes under US law?
In ye olden days, i.e. before about 1980, there were several checks upon corporate predations, most of which have largely disappeared in the interim.
I realize that news of this may not have filtered up to Oklahoma, but the early 20th century was engaged in various remedies, including the one for this:
Oh greed drives what goes on in many activities including corporations. We have to dig hard to follow the money leading up to an IPO. In many cases, the founder has had to fight to keep a worthwhile share of his creation. Venture capitalists fund many losers for each winner, so each round of investment strips more shares from the creator. Couple that with shares given to key execs to keep them and it's a fight to retain anything. You can't survive that process if you're a nice guy.
The answer you describe may be clear, but it has escaped lawmakers and shareholders for centuries. I hope you will share it with us.
Here's a rhetorical question that you certainly don't have to answer. If BET did an IPO of a substantial amount of non-voting stock, would you buy some shares? What if it were voting stock?
Kent McMillan, post: 443582, member: 3 wrote: So, shall we mark you down as not thinking that large corporations ought to act as responsible citizens if they are to be treated as persons for legal purposes under US law?
Only if we can mark you down for someone that would rather starve or sit in the dark than to give up your hard earned money to a corporation that doesn't behave as you or others see fit.
Oh it's a noble cause I guess, but as a consumer my fiscal responsibility is to my pocketbook, not my conscience. Color me destined for hell, but if the best price and highest quality goods are being sold by Beelzebub hisself, you'll probably see me occasionally at the checkout line.
But I have to wonder...from whom do you purchase your gasoline, cell phone or multimedia service, your electric and gas? Are you as critical of their corporate structure as you are the corner grocery store? 😉
paden cash, post: 443585, member: 20 wrote: Only if we can mark you down for someone that would rather starve or sit in the dark than to give up your hard earned money to a corporation that doesn't behave as you or others see fit.
That's a false choice in that the premise of the options that you offer is that large corporations can only be expected to behave unethically or in some way injurious to the interests of citizens. That situation is one that has mostly developed in the recent history of the US since 1980.
Oh it's a noble cause I guess, but as a consumer my fiscal responsibility is to my pocketbook, not my conscience. Color me destined for hell, but if the best price and highest quality goods are being sold by Beelzebub hisself, you'll probably see me occasionally at the checkout line.
You're welcome to shop at Walmart and anywhere else cheap, low-quality goods made in China are sold. Just because I'd rather buy an Estwing hammer made in the US of A than some POS from overseas doesn't mean that I expect you to do so as well if quality and country of origin are always less important to you than first cost.
But I have to wonder...from whom do you purchase your gasoline, cell phone or multimedia service, your electric and gas? Are you as critical of their corporate structure as you are the corner grocery store?
Yes and I don't hesitate to tell the AT&T folks what a crappy company they work for.
Kent McMillan, post: 443588, member: 3 wrote: ...You're welcome to shop at Walmart and anywhere else cheap, low-quality goods made in China are sold. Just because I'd rather buy an Estwing hammer made in the US of A than some POS from overseas doesn't mean that I expect you to do so as well if quality and country of origin are always less important to you than first cost..
Trust me, my shadow hasn't darkened a Wal-Mart door in years. And I too am a fan of quality. I have worn boots, jeans and flannel shirts my whole life. But at this moment in my life I enjoy affording American-made Red Wings and Thorogood boots with usually Carhartt "Union Made in the USA" shirts since Pendleton bit the weeny a few years ago and shipped production to China. And like everybody else I have a sister that sends me a flannel shirt every Christmas made in either China or Bangladesh. I had one that made it through three washings before it came apart....
And my Levi Strauss 501 "Shrink to fit" blue jeans ARE made in America. I have not found a retailer that sells them off the shelf so I buy them online. I'm almost embarrassed at how much I pay for them nowadays.
ps - Estwings are ok. I prefer my Vaughan simply because the handles have a more comfortable curve. Just a personal preference. 😉
Wasn't HEB crowned King in Texas several years ago? That's what I had heard.
James Fleming, post: 443302, member: 136 wrote: Posted a couple of hours ago in a discussion by a meteorologist at the Washington Post
This is a massive storm that will stall over the coast and dump over 15 trillion gallons of water through next Wednesday if the models hold. This is a monumental disaster in the making for the residents of eastern Texas and will likely devastate many areas. This storm just seemed to come out of no where to me -- I didn't see it in the news cycle until last night.Everything that could possibly go wrong meteorologically is happening right now. This is going to be really bad.
prescient
ADJECTIVE
Having or showing knowledge of events before they take place.
??a prescient warning??
The USACOE regional director .. manager .. Just made a press announcement concerning the Addicks and Barker reservoirs. They have been incrementally releasing the pool and at some point will release a cumulative flow of roughly 8000cfs. I think they said it would roughly translate to 20% of the flow of Buffalo Bayou.
Hijacking posts moved to their own thread: https://surveyorconnect.com/community/threads/estwing-vs-fiskars.331766/
Cool. Good idea, Wendell.
MathTeacher, post: 443584, member: 7674 wrote:
Here's a rhetorical question that you certainly don't have to answer. If BET did an IPO of a substantial amount of non-voting stock, would you buy some shares? What if it were voting stock?
Well, I here's a good reason to reply to my own post. I meant HEB, not BET. Not sure where that came from, please excuse me.
