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(@holy-cow)
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Holy moly, what the heck

It's just hard to imagine that it must be off so far. This may be a case of the lines shown matching original tract lines and not current proprty lines which include parts of more than one original tract.

If the lines shown are correct, a portion of the house and half of the swimming pool, plus the entire driveway acessing the road to the north are all on the neighbor's land. Meanwhile, what appears to be a driveway and garage immediately adjacent to the house to the south are shown being on her tract.

Check out 1717 Laurel Road in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania. Just off of Route 443 as described above in Ritzie Village. Situated to southeast of intersection of Birchwood and Laurel.

 
Posted : December 1, 2013 10:39 am
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Holy moly, what the heck

:good:

 
Posted : December 1, 2013 10:40 am
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Holy moly, what the heck

Assuming the county GIS is correct (come on now, quit laughing), that neighborhood looks like a surveyors nightmare and an attorney's dream.

 
Posted : December 1, 2013 10:42 am
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The Pennsylvania surveyors will be nearby

While digging around a bit on surveyors and the Harrisburg area I found that the Pennsylvania surveyors society is meeting just a few miles from her house in Hershey in mid-January. Maybe they can add an extra day to their continuing education program by giving everyone a shot at trying to match the GIS to the deeds in that neighborhood.

 
Posted : December 1, 2013 10:47 am
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The Pennsylvania surveyors will be nearby

So do I throw up now?

 
Posted : December 1, 2013 11:03 am
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The Pennsylvania surveyors will be nearby

After you figure out what's going on..I suggest talking with neighbors about boundary line agreements. GIS is rarely accurate, but if these problems exist... Resolving issues without attorneys, and as friends is best. My 2 cents.

 
Posted : December 1, 2013 11:10 am
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The Pennsylvania surveyors will be nearby

:good:

 
Posted : December 1, 2013 11:52 am
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A Link To Barbara J. Drayer's Deed

Deeds are online free.

http://deeds.dauphinc.org/oncoreweb/showdetails.aspx?id=53104&rn=139&pi=9&ref=search

Next is needed the deeds for Parcel 33 to the East and Parcel 36 to the South.

Maps are also online, but since I never worked in Dauphin County I have not figure that out yet.

Paul in PA

 
Posted : December 1, 2013 12:20 pm
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A Link To Barbara J. Drayer's Deed

So it appears that the iron pins control if they can be found or perhaps Joannie can testify under oath as to their former locations.

The distances and directions appear to be estimates.

 
Posted : December 1, 2013 12:35 pm
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A Link To Barbara J. Drayer's Deed

The website keeps directing me to the Drayer deed while searching for the adjoiner deeds.

Google Dauphin County PA will get you a link to the recorder's office, we need deeds for parcels 68-002-032 and 68-002-36.

Paul in PA

 
Posted : December 1, 2013 12:43 pm
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A Link To Barbara J. Drayer's Deed

Hers is 32. The one to the east is 33 and the one to the south is 36.

The dimensions provided in her deed are consistent with the GIS layout.

 
Posted : December 1, 2013 12:45 pm
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A Link To Barbara J. Drayer's Deed

What is the GIS industry standard for authoritatively and accurately mapping/plotting deed calls of "100 feet, more or less, to an iron pin" on top of an aerial/satellite photo for a background?

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I thought about using the sarcasm font, but after a while, I realized that this is a serious question that needs to be answered. The public, in many cases, is depending on these realistic looking maps as a depiction of reality.

 
Posted : December 1, 2013 12:48 pm
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A Link To Barbara J. Drayer's Deed

Therein lies the problem, there are no precise dimensions in her deed. :-/

 
Posted : December 1, 2013 12:51 pm
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A Link To Barbara J. Drayer's Deed

Gis is a great tool for utilities, rough idea. Should have no place in talking boundaries.

 
Posted : December 1, 2013 12:51 pm
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Paul

33 is Martin L. Crowl at 7037 Birchwood, document # 0167700498 in 1991.
36 is Thomas E. Rothenberger, Jr. at 1713 Laurel, document # 2006027352 in 2006.

 
Posted : December 1, 2013 12:52 pm
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> Gis is a great tool for utilities, rough idea. Should have no place in talking boundaries.

That is the problem, they (GIS) are not merely "talking boundaries", they are actually showing the "location" of the "boundaries".

 
Posted : December 1, 2013 12:55 pm
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The huge problem here

The huge problem here is that you would need to move the northeast corner of the tract about 45 feet further east to match occupation. Was the deed number supposed to be 145 instead of 100 or is Laurel Road built completely in the wrong place?

 
Posted : December 1, 2013 12:57 pm
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A Link To Barbara J. Drayer's Deed

Your right, but the assume no liability. As Surveyors we need to clarify..They are not Surveyors and have no right to post boundaries. I started another post to try to see what we can do.

 
Posted : December 1, 2013 1:02 pm
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The huge problem here

Like I posted earlier. They should look at boundary line agreements, if the problems exist. I'm not going to risk my license on gis. It's a rough idea, and nothing more.

 
Posted : December 1, 2013 1:08 pm
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The huge problem here

I mean no disrespect to you. I've just seen some bad gis. There probably is a problem.

On a side note I was at Pittsburgh Conference. If you were in the group that sponsored it , I was at your table. We all had great conversation and fun. Well until the wrong guy won the shotgun..lol Enjoy your day.

 
Posted : December 1, 2013 1:27 pm
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