Wendell, post: 377179, member: 1 wrote: Love it!
Thanks! But really all I did was refresh your old logo. 🙂
I've recently rebranded my web development company and the response has been incredible! I won't go into the reasons why I changed the branding, but let's just say it's somewhat connected to the SurveyorConnect debacle. I may explain later when things calm down.
Haha...instead of "blaming" the media, you "Harness" the media. I don't know if the double-innuendo was crafted, but I like it.
How to Harness a green broke debacle, small Texas mustangs, and Arkansas jumping mules...
2016 reprint of 1805 1st edition...
DDSM:beer::beer:
Kent McMillan, post: 377446, member: 3 wrote: Do you see doctors or attorneys with their names on their cars anywhere other than some insurance or registration papers inside the vehicle? Plumbers? Sure. Landscapers? Yes, obviously.
If you think Surveyors are looked upon by the public as professional's you are delusional. We are looked at as blue collar workers (aka: a Tradesman) and we put ourselves in that position.
The logo on a vehicle identifies the surveyor or Company associated therewith, which is a good thing. When the public sees a truck with identification on it they are less likely to become worried or hostile as opposed to a truck without.
I'm proud of my company and have displayed it on all my vehicles for the past 28 years. Different strokes for different folks.
FL/GA PLS., post: 377458, member: 379 wrote: If you think Surveyors are looked upon by the public as professional's you are delusional. We are looked at as blue collar workers (aka: a Tradesman) and we put ourselves in that position.
It sounds as if you are making my point. Surveyors are so comfortable presenting themselves as a business somewhere between plumbing and landscaping companies that the main object of inquiry is how to best work that market.
The logo on a vehicle identifies the surveyor or Company associated therewith, which is a good thing.
Well, if it just says "Timely Surveying" or "Discount Mapping" on the side it's a bad thing because it serves as a reminder to the public that land surveyors are just about the same as plumbers, only less expensive.
There is plenty to be concerned with in the profession, and plenty of room for improvement. Veteran voices are needed.
Dinosaurs (in attitude, not age) groaning about the names the whipersnappers are coming up with these days is laughable. Maybe a logo patterned after Jeff Dunham's Walter would be appropriate for your business:
Shawn Billings, post: 377493, member: 6521 wrote: Dinosaurs (in attitude, not age) groaning about the names the whipersnappers are coming up with these days is laughable.
Oh, no, the flakey firm names aren't anything new. They have been around for nearly twenty years, although seem to be increasing in number, possibly reflecting a general decline in mentoring. The fascination with new technology as a substitute for professional standards is hardly new either. You can trace that back to the early days of EDMs and programmed calculators.
Well, an experienced, knowledgeable and prolific surveyor grumbling about irrelevant issues like the impact firm names have on professionalism would sure be an excellent example of poor mentoring. With each post you make on this subject and each insult you sling my way you demonstrate your increasing irrelevance. I'm sure you have something of value to offer, but it's been a while since I've seen much evidence of it. You should change your signature line to "Get off my lawn" or "Damn kids". Could be a slogan for your company even or perhaps "a$$ in the past" with a picture of a donkey.
Shawn Billings, post: 377508, member: 6521 wrote: Well, an experienced, knowledgeable and prolific surveyor grumbling about irrelevant issues like the impact firm names have on professionalism would sure be an excellent example of poor mentoring.
Actually, it's pretty simple. It still boils down to a professional service being something that is rendered by a licensed professional who is responsible for it. To pretend that Coordinated Surveying Co. is somehow the entity that is licensed to practice surveying is incorrect. The firm name is merely a means of ascertaining that there is a responsible professional somewhere in the vicinity and of knowing his or her identity when the public has reason to complain.
As I understood your rationale for adopting a pseudonym, it was that you essentially didn't want people to think that you were running your firm because it would enable you to sell it to someone else without anyone being the wiser. How professional is that, when put that way?
In the history of flakey surveying firm names in Texas, my first hypothesis would be that they really took off as quite a few licensees who had apprenticed at big box engineering firms opened their own offices.
You nailed it. Isn't it time for Matlock or the Golden Girls? That Blanche. Am I right?
Shawn Billings, post: 377511, member: 6521 wrote: You nailed it.
Yes, if a person were to do a longitudinal study of the careers of Texas surveyors, I'd bet that he would be able to trace a remarkable number of strange practices to specific firm origins, either one or two generations earlier. Firm names would be one natural indicator to study, i.e. how likely someone who learned how to survey in a particular office environment would be to follow some particular trajectory when let loose upon the public.
Kent,
You would make a great salesperson.
Your persistence is unrelenting.
Maybe you could hook up with a company like Javad and become a top dog in sales.
Mmmm. That was a Kent McMillan Classic! A nice, thinly veiled insult to my upbringing. You've descended to the depths of "your momma" jokes. That will surely prove me wrong.
I'm going to let it go and just figure you haven't had your Ensure for the night.
Damn kids. Am I right? Back in your day... blah, blah, blah. It's like Garrison Keillor was saying just the other day...
Robert Hill, post: 377516, member: 378 wrote: Kent,
You would make a great salesperson.
Your persistence is unrelenting.
Maybe you could hook up with a company like Javad and become a top dog in sales.
Is there a particular reason you keep wanting to make this personal, Robert?
Kent McMillan, post: 377509, member: 3 wrote: To pretend that Coordinated Surveying Co. is somehow the entity that is licensed to practice surveying is incorrect.
I don't think anyone who has chosen to name their business something other than their own name or a derivative thereof has done so with this idea in mind. If you want to put your name on your shingle/website, good for you; if you want to come up with something catchy, good for you; if you want to come up with the most ridiculous name imaginable, the rest of the profession will laugh at you and probably throw rocks but if you have the stones to do it and can make it work knock yourself out. If me and my peers can't find a way to beat that company out of the market the problem lies with us.
Earlier you said you don't want your logo/number on your truck because among other things you don't want Joe Blow calling you so I presume most of your work is obtained either by referral or reputation. The majority of my work comes from the same place and for those Clients the name on the company, as long as it isn't offensive, matters little. They're choosing my company because of the service I've given them in the past and know they'll get in the future, hell for them I could be nameless and it wouldn't matter a lick other than they wouldn't know how to write the check. To believe that my company name being something other than my own name is tricking them and some geek off the street will actually be doing the work while I kick it in Cabo would mean you think very little of the survey consumer at large. I tend to think better of our Clients than that...
Cameron Watson PLS, post: 377527, member: 11407 wrote: I don't think anyone who has chosen to name their business something other than their own name or a derivative thereof has done so with this idea in mind.
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They're choosing my company because of the service I've given them in the past and know they'll get in the future, hell for them I could be nameless and it wouldn't matter a lick other than they wouldn't know how to write the check. To believe that my company name being something other than my own name is tricking them and some geek off the street will actually be doing the work while I kick it in Cabo would mean you think very little of the survey consumer at large. I tend to think better of our Clients than that...
Well, let's think this one through, eh? If I recall, your main rationale for choosing a storefront firm name is that it isn't associated with the principals of the company, i.e. the responsible professionals, right? The whole idea is that Joe Doe builds a surveying machine that he can sell to Pam Rowe without anyone realizing that Joe Doe isn't pulling the levers any more.
Why is that whole concept not one that upon its face is obviously intended to deceive?
What deception? You're rambling.
Shawn Billings, post: 377519, member: 6521 wrote: Mmmm. That was a Kent McMillan Classic! A nice, thinly veiled insult to my upbringing.
Actually, I wouldn't have thought that "office environment" could be understood in anything other than a professional sense. That you think the concept is insulting is oddly revealing. The reality is that a substantial component of surveying practice is learned informally through experience in a surveying office environment and it's beyond silly not to look to that in tracing the origins of the ideas and practices that follow.
I was waiting for this to hit a hundred comments but what the hell, it's time......
OMG! This is why I refuse FB!!!! My daughter says "it's for old people anyway Dad, you're good"
Kent McMillan, post: 377533, member: 3 wrote: The reality is that a substantial component of surveying practice is learned informally through experience in a surveying office environment and it's beyond silly not to look to that in trolling the origins of the ideas and practices that follow.