If we don't take steps to safeguard what we can, who will do it on our behalf?
Every day a bit more of our freedom erodes away, never to return without a revolution.
Jim in AZ, post: 365652, member: 249 wrote: The individual Item ID. (unique to each item) is linked to the purchser (or gift recipient) within hours if not minutes of purchase, cash or card puchase is irrelevant.
Okay, walk me through this: I buy an item at a store and pay cash. The RFID tag is uniquely numbered, I get that. But how does the retailer/manufacturer/Big Brother connect it to me?
Jim Frame, post: 365722, member: 10 wrote: Okay, walk me through this: I buy an item at a store and pay cash. The RFID tag is uniquely numbered, I get that. But how does the retailer/manufacturer/Big Brother connect it to me?
They crowd hack you when you walk in the complex and take your pic and hack your id as you stand at checkout.
Then the checkout operator asks for your phone number, date of birth or other info to complete their database.
Keep all your id cards inside a lined case.
:'(
A Harris, post: 365729, member: 81 wrote: They crowd hack you when you walk in the complex and take your pic and hack your id as you stand at checkout.
Then the checkout operator asks for your phone number, date of birth or other info to complete their database.
Keep all your id cards inside a lined case.
:'(
A few months ago, I was attempting to check out at a store I go to once in a while. The cashier was asking for phone number, zip, and other things... I turned to the guy behind me and said something like "there doesn't seem to be simply checking out and paying at a store any more, does there?"
Last Christmas time, I needed a hair cut before going to see the folks. For the first time in many years, I stopped at a Hair Cuttery (my regular barber was closed). They asked me for my phone number.... I promptly asked "why do you need a phone number for a hair cut??" I asked what they would be doing with it. I went there (I thought) simply to get a hair cut, not to be tracked like I am every place else.....
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Jim Frame, post: 365722, member: 10 wrote: Okay, walk me through this: I buy an item at a store and pay cash. The RFID tag is uniquely numbered, I get that. But how does the retailer/manufacturer/Big Brother connect it to me?
X,Y,Z,TIME COORDINATES continuously recorded from your smart phone.
That narrows the possibilities down significantly.
imaudigger, post: 365735, member: 7286 wrote: X,Y,Z,TIME COORDINATES continuously recorded from your smart phone.
While I agree that this is possible under the right circumstances, it goes well beyond the limits of legal marketing activity. This would be in NSA territory.
Jim Frame, post: 365737, member: 10 wrote: beyond the limits of legal marketing activity
what law prevents/prohibits that?
and IF there is a law that prohibits it, who complies?
It is a Brave New World. we all need to be aware
all of the links are possible, all are old tech. many are just now becoming aware that it is going on, and that Governments are among the worst violators...
Jim Frame, post: 365737, member: 10 wrote: While I agree that this is possible under the right circumstances, it goes well beyond the limits of legal marketing activity. This would be in NSA territory.
I agree completely with you that should be considered a shady way of doing business. However most people have willingly volunteered their information. For example, most people have downloaded some sort of third party camera app. to their smart phone...it's "free" and really does a good job at what it says it can do. Part of the agreement when you install the app. is that you grant the software access to the GPS data (they promise not to gather or share identifiable personal information). Every company wants to know where their customer base is located. You also grant them the authority to change the terms and conditions anytime they want to release an update. Most people feel this is pretty harmless and nobody even reads the terms and conditions.
Other programs request access to your contacts...
Your phone company tracks your phone continuously - I would bet money that there is small print in the contract that allows them to share sell certain types of information as long as it does not contain "identifiable personal information". What most people do not seem to grasp is the fact that the X,Y,Z,Time data is used as the "FID" fields used to join or relate nameless positional data to an address and place of business, which in turn adds personal identity to the database. The combined data is used to determine shopping habits, driving habits, eating habits, drinking habits...on and on.
Out of the billions of people in this world, how many people arrive at 7:00 a.m. every day to the coordinates that are within 100' of J. Frame surveying AND spend every night at coordinates located within 100' of your home address? Bet that narrows it down to only one person, maybe in some cases two.
It seems pretty far fetched, but when you gather data on such a massive scale, combine that with cloud storage and computing power...there are lots of possibilities.
Ever wonder why the Safeway grocery store has a deal with Chevron to give you a discount on your gasoline purchases, or why it is beneficial for a company to offer discounts if you use a "club card", even though you may only provide a fake phone number?
It may not generate accurate information 100% of the time, and GPS doesn't work inside a building, however it is pretty easy to filter out nearly everyone else because they are in another country, city, neighborhood, parking lot, ect.
Since we are habitual creatures, we help the computers cull out bad data and over time make the information more accurate.
imaudigger, post: 365751, member: 7286 wrote:
Ever wonder why the Safeway grocery store has a deal with Chevron to give you a discount on your gasoline purchases, or why it is beneficial for a company to offer discounts if you use a "club card", even though you may only provide a fake phone number?
OK i'll bite.
But I do understand the concept of grocer/gas reward or perk cards. Do you? It is a basic marketing concept for the gas companies. Develop customer loyalty.
The grocery stores are using it to track customer buying habits collectively and your individual preferences to 1. control inventory. 2. to enhance their own store brands. 3. adjust pricing based on buying habits. It's that simple.
Robert Hill, post: 365762, member: 378 wrote: OK i'll bite.
But I do understand the concept of grocer/gas reward or perk cards. Do you? It is a basic marketing concept for the gas companies. Develop customer loyalty.
The grocery stores are using it to track customer buying habits collectively and your individual preferences to 1. control inventory. 2. to enhance their own store brands. 3. adjust pricing based on buying habits. It's that simple.
Exactly - I was attempting to illustrate the fact that they do not need RFID tags in order to determine who buys what and where. They also do not need "club card or reward cards" to do this. It just makes it easier and is perhaps less expensive than purchasing data. I was not intending to imply that they are doing anything evil with the data. I don't like the fact that I have little control over what they know about me, but that's life.
The government collecting this data along with all private communications is a different matter.
Actually, I like the concept of customer loyalty cards.
It is a refreshing concept compared to other customer development practices.
I have had the same car insurance for over 20 years. I don't get bupkis for loyalty.
Cable companies, CC groups, banks, telecom companies etc offer all kind of exciting new customer offers, low rates, rewards, gifts, buy-outs etc. It pizzes me off. The loyal or existing customer gets nil.
imaudigger, post: 365751, member: 7286 wrote: Out of the billions of people in this world, how many people arrive at 7:00 a.m. every day to the coordinates that are within 100' of J. Frame surveying AND spend every night at coordinates located within 100' of your home address? Bet that narrows it down to only one person, maybe in some cases two.
Currently 3: wife, son and me. Office and home are one and the same, geographically speaking.
Robert Hill, post: 365771, member: 378 wrote: I have had the same car insurance for over 20 years. I don't get bupkis for loyalty.
I wouldn't discount that relationship too lightly. An insurance agent friend told me that loyalty counts for a lot when a claim is filed. It determines how they treat the claim, what effect the claim has on the renewal premium, and whether they'll renew at all. I heard something similar from a colleague who filed a claim against his E&O policy. The adjuster flat out told him that they know how much he's spent in premiums over the years, and that determines whether they stick with him or not.
All of which means that if you change insurers regularly chasing the lowest premium, you may be in for an unpleasant surprise when you file a claim.
Robert Hill, post: 365771, member: 378 wrote: Actually, I like the concept of customer loyalty cards.
It is a refreshing concept compared to other customer development practices.
I have had the same car insurance for over 20 years. I don't get bupkis for loyalty.
Cable companies, CC groups, banks, telecom companies etc offer all kind of exciting new customer offers, low rates, rewards, gifts, buy-outs etc. It pizzes me off. The loyal or existing customer gets nil.
I personally cannot stand the "club cards" I get constantly asked every day by nearly every business in town..."do I have one of their cards?"
Here is a concept - if you don't have your card ready at checkout you don't get the dang discount! No need to ask every time.
Some stores such as Rite Aid jack the prices up. Then lower them if you have their card.
Jim in AZ, post: 365652, member: 249 wrote: Jim - The individual Item ID. (unique to each item) is linked to the purchser (or gift recipient) within hours if not minutes of purchase, cash or card puchase is irrelevant. Its not the "Government" that is doing this to any great extent at the present time, it is the large marketing firms. As I said, I have a relative in that field - the amount of money expended on this kind of stuff would blow you away. The statistics they can produce from their databases has a HUGE influence on what ads you see on your computer screen and what shows up in your mailbox. Television advertising is approaching the point that you may see a different advertisement than the folks across the street (just like computer advertising). All this information is for sale for a price... to nearly anyone that wants it. Its just another form of "mailing list." The "scanners" are not as tiny as the RFID chips, but they are in some very interesting places. I would not believe that this was anything other than a paranoid conspiracy theory if it weren't for this relative.
That's funny that you say that. I have noticed frequently that when I am driving and the radio is on, whenever a commercial comes on there is usually a billboard nearby advertising the same thing. I have wondered to myself if there was a way that the sign "triggered" the commercial on the radio in the truck and if other cars on the other side of town were hearing the same ad.
Roadhand you have it backwards. Your radio is triggering the billboards.
Roadhand, post: 365912, member: 61 wrote: That's funny that you say that. I have noticed frequently that when I am driving and the radio is on, whenever a commercial comes on there is usually a billboard nearby advertising the same thing. I have wondered to myself if there was a way that the sign "triggered" the commercial on the radio in the truck and if other cars on the other side of town were hearing the same ad.
It's called "locational marketing" or something similar. It is a HUGE area of research in the marketing field
This is one of the best surveyor connect forums I have read in a while... :hi5:
Collectively we are a rather amazing group, aren't we? Individually, not so much.
