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....is being pushed hard core in the current ESRI user conference.

Its not hard to see why GIS people that are being sold these solutions think and believe that they don't need surveying or Surveyors because they haven't mentioned anything about the actual reason people have boundaries and infrastructure located in Rights of Way yet.

I try my best to stay conversant in both domains, however, I lean more heavily into the survey side more and more as I see the lower level work being trivialized into button pushing and public meetings to approve stuff.

 
Posted : 14/07/2021 5:39 am
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I have a buddy who's about to purchase 160 acres in CO.?ÿ His legal description is aliquot parts.?ÿ The GIS shows a neighboring subdivision coming over the section line and cutting off 22 acres and calls for his property to be 138 acres.?ÿ I gave him the Get It Surveyed speech and had him pull the deeds and plats.?ÿ Everything butts up to the section line as it should.?ÿ Crisis adverted and the deal will go on.?ÿ He deals in hunting grounds and likes to use those GIS maps and I get it, but his eyes were opened up there.?ÿ And he's getting the tract surveyed.?ÿ

 
Posted : 14/07/2021 6:28 am
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@jflamm?ÿ

Whew.

Is it in Park County?

That would make sense.

 
Posted : 14/07/2021 6:30 am
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It started early on. Often I will use the old county "GIS" file I have from the 1980-1990's era to do some planning and some rough display maps. They are in the SPC system and are usually closer to correctly geographically placed than the current GIS maps. The GIS system locally has slowly been degraded over time and has moved away from the earlier more accurate computer files.?ÿ

 
Posted : 14/07/2021 6:38 am
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When you say "business of collecting data" are you talking about GIS folks being sold surveying gear and pushing mapping services as a business?

 
Posted : 14/07/2021 7:15 am
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@jitterboogie Freemont.?ÿ If you want to see it.?ÿ It's the N1/2 and the SE 1/4 of the SE 1/4 of Sec. 22 and NE 1/4 of the NE 1/4 of Sec. 27 in T20S, R70W, 6th PM.?ÿ As created by the original land patent in 1892.?ÿ That was a cool find.?ÿ The Freemont County GIS is the one showing it whacky.

 
Posted : 14/07/2021 7:20 am
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@rover83?ÿ

Essentially. They are working under the umbrella of their utilities and planning department.

Its funny not funny. Esp when the guy giving the demo is wearing a shiny clean new safety ???§ vest and claims they've got centimeter accuracy for vertical and horizontal data for the asset management systems.

Other people are watching and would be reasonable to believe that if you're looking for a good line on work, you're not going to need to spend the time or money to become a Surveyor or even hire one. Just buy the SAAS and use your phone.?ÿ Boom.

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Posted : 14/07/2021 7:28 am
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@jflamm?ÿ

Fair enough.

That's the county south of Park, and claims similar woes of no money blahblahblah...

 
Posted : 14/07/2021 7:30 am
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Posted by: @jitterboogie

....is being pushed hard core in the current ESRI user conference.

I don't "get" the concept of a virtual ESRI User Conference because I can't figure out a way to get "virtually hammered" in the Gaslamp Quarter.?ÿ?ÿ

 
Posted : 14/07/2021 8:58 am
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@james-fleming?ÿ

Fair?ÿ

The schwag sucks too?ÿ

 
Posted : 14/07/2021 9:00 am
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Just keep in mind: As the cost of collecting data rockets to the bottom, the value of managing data rises in unison.?ÿ?ÿ

 
Posted : 14/07/2021 9:00 am
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@james-fleming?ÿ

Unfortunately no limits on the levels of incompetent people in GIS that don't have any real training or experience managing the data, either.?ÿ?ÿ

 
Posted : 14/07/2021 9:02 am
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Posted by: @james-fleming

As the cost of collecting data rockets to the bottom, the value of managing data rises in unison.?ÿ?ÿ

In theory, yes. But the vast majority of organizations place a higher premium on "having data" rather than having a comprehensive, well-designed database with plenty of attributes, that is maintained and updated regularly.

Generally the folks who call the shots can't wrap their head around the fact that data management is more than shoving some CSVs into a server folder. I have pretty much given up hope on finding a forward-thinking surveyor at middle management or higher.

I've been trying to organize a GIS for all our project control and found monumentation, and even our survey managers don't give a damn about it, because it would involve the "N-word". Non-billable. And we even have GIS folks attached to our survey department who are specifically tasked with this type of work.

 
Posted : 14/07/2021 9:25 am
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@rover83?ÿ

I feel and have experienced that pain.

Its real, and maddening.


GIF

?ÿThanks Wendell....

 
Posted : 14/07/2021 9:29 am
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The cat is out of the bag and crying wonƒ??t ever get it back in. Thereƒ??s nothing wrong with cities, counties, states using GIS grade data collection equipment for inventory purposes. Itƒ??s a great use for it. I have a different perspective give Iƒ??m at a large company that does a lot of GIS grade field locations for projects that have no survey staff involved. The right tool and staff for the project. I get involved in those projects when they need accurate elevations.

 
Posted : 14/07/2021 3:49 pm