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4 rod roads - a taking?

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(@wfwenzel)
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If a rural road was laid out as a 3 rod road, can legislation after that fact simply dictate that it be a 4 rod road?

Does the extra 1/2 rod on each side constitute a "taking" without compensation?

 
Posted : March 17, 2013 9:46 am
(@charles-l-dowdell)
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I don't think so. Anything after a certain time period can be worded to happen from then forward, but it seems that the powers that be would need to negotiate with the land owners for any additional right of way beyond what they already are entitled to.
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Posted : March 17, 2013 11:10 am
(@paden-cash)
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Was the legislation before or after the property had passed into private ownership?

If the legislation was "post-patent" it would technically be a 'take'. There are (and have been) a few different ways that public r/w can be acquired without permission or monetary compensation.

The one that comes to mind quickly is prescriptive rights of the public. We have some lands in Oklahoma that the statutory section line r/w was set as 2 rods by original legislation. Fine for a country lane and a buggy. Not so fine for a motor vehicle (or two).

I can think of at least two court cases in which the county had maintained a considerably wider area than 2 rods for a number of years. The court ruled that the county had the additional R/W by prescription. Of course, this was adjudicated, not legislated.

 
Posted : March 17, 2013 12:16 pm
(@charles-l-dowdell)
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I don't know how the contract wording got posted into my reply to this message. I was wondering where it went when I was in the other thread, so I did it again in the thread where it was supposed to be.

 
Posted : March 17, 2013 12:59 pm
(@brian-allen)
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It would depend on how the original road was acquired for public use, the subsequent area of use, and how the additional 1 rod is supposedly acquired.

Is it a public or private road? How did it come into existence as a road? How did the 3 rod width come into being? Has the 3 rods really been acquired, or just assumed? Was anything wider than the original width used, if so, how, by whom, for how long? etc. etc, etc

 
Posted : March 17, 2013 3:19 pm