@holy-cow of course sometimes we need attorneys' help, especially when surveyors disagree or land owners refuse to listen to surveyors, but every boun...

Good case for discussion, but whatever the answer is, it doesn't refute "you can't convey what you don't own".?ÿ Either the conveyer owned it before h...

@holy-cow this is a boundary question. All boundary questions are legal questions. Boundary questions are what we are here to answer.

If you need to enter the attorney's property to complete a boundary survey for your client you do have an obligation to push the issue; however, you d...

No one is suggesting that non boundary work is beneath us, or that we should turn it over civil engineers. The point being made, is that if it weren't...

I also took and passed the FS (many years ago) with a non-surveying degree. I only had a year experience. The only studying I did was going through th...

Yes! Civil engineers and technicians could handle everything else. Our university programs are failing to reflect that. One reason is that University'...

@holy-cow I agree with your line of reasoning when applied to states that actually do a good job testing, but some state exams just require regurgitat...

Makes just as much sense as reporting a property boundary to the 0.01' (which is none).

The most important thing is to make clear why you are not accepting them. I hope you didn't consider not showing them.?ÿ

Why jump to the conclusion that there was a malicious intent, or that the surveyor who asked for your points was responsible?

@peter-lothian except the public perception might not be based on the facts in this case.

Part of the problem is that the states that I looked up don't define conflict of interest.

Maybe he is referring to the states that describe what to do (disclosure) when a conflict of interest is "unavoidable".

@mightymoe Of course I have "identified an maintained" my own boundaries, but I have done this as a landowner, not as a surveyor. We don't lose our ri...

@jph Irregardless of what is "right" it seems that many states' codes of conduct don't agree.?ÿ The language posted above; "shall avoid conflicts of ...

@jbstahl You are missing the point. In my example the Congressman was completely ethical. He had no knowledge of what was going to happen. He was left...

@rover83 The trouble we have picturing that hypothetical honest congressman is exactly why we need things like codes of ethics and can't just rely on ...

I think you are entirely missing the point. Whether you are an "ethical" person is irrelevant. Our codes of ethics don't tell us to avoid conflicts of...

You are putting words into my mouth.?ÿ And ignoring the ones I am actually typing. We are talking about conflicts of interest not biases.?ÿ