Total Station Precision
Quote from bill93 on October 2, 2024, 7:14 pmPeople often forget how much averaging it takes to get angles accurate to the instrument spec. The definition isn't intuitive.
https://s3.microsurvey.com/support/Knowledgebase/stderr/Din18723.pdf
People often forget how much averaging it takes to get angles accurate to the instrument spec. The definition isn't intuitive.
https://s3.microsurvey.com/support/Knowledgebase/stderr/Din18723.pdf
Quote from field-dog on October 3, 2024, 8:09 am@ BStrand
Looking through my state’s standards, I found only one line relating to locating or setting a monument with an instrument.
7.(f) Side ties to locate or set a monument shall be substantiated by multiple measurements.
@ BStrand
Looking through my state’s standards, I found only one line relating to locating or setting a monument with an instrument.
7.(f) Side ties to locate or set a monument shall be substantiated by multiple measurements.
Quote from Norman_Oklahoma on October 3, 2024, 8:12 amIf the boss is willing to pay the extra bucks and get the 1" model then I see no big reason to oppose the purchase. They operate the same as the 3" and 5" models. And it is usually not all that much more in the grand scheme of things. If that is what it takes to maintain peace and harmony, go for it. Choose another hill to die on. Use your political capital to push for high end tribrach, tripods, glass and rods instead.
If the boss is willing to pay the extra bucks and get the 1" model then I see no big reason to oppose the purchase. They operate the same as the 3" and 5" models. And it is usually not all that much more in the grand scheme of things. If that is what it takes to maintain peace and harmony, go for it. Choose another hill to die on. Use your political capital to push for high end tribrach, tripods, glass and rods instead.
Quote from OleManRiver on October 3, 2024, 8:15 amSo true. Now some manufacturers quote the same 3” angle but is is done by different standards DIN or ISO. And that makes a difference as well. In how one obtains or goes about the field observations.
So true. Now some manufacturers quote the same 3” angle but is is done by different standards DIN or ISO. And that makes a difference as well. In how one obtains or goes about the field observations.
Quote from BStrand on October 3, 2024, 8:33 amMy coworker is concerned about a possible future court case where a judge might rule against us for not using a precise enough total station to set the property corner in question.
Like one of my golfing buddies says when people blame their clubs for bad play-- it's the indian not the arrow. 😆
I've never studied it but I'd bet humans are far and away the biggest source of error on any given survey.
My coworker is concerned about a possible future court case where a judge might rule against us for not using a precise enough total station to set the property corner in question.
Like one of my golfing buddies says when people blame their clubs for bad play-- it's the indian not the arrow. 😆
I've never studied it but I'd bet humans are far and away the biggest source of error on any given survey.
Quote from Norman_Oklahoma on October 3, 2024, 9:12 am"I’ve never studied it but I’d bet humans are far and away the biggest source of error on any given survey."
People end up in court because of blunders, not because of missing precision targets.
"I’ve never studied it but I’d bet humans are far and away the biggest source of error on any given survey."
People end up in court because of blunders, not because of missing precision targets.
Quote from not-my-real-name on October 3, 2024, 9:34 amI agree. The judge won't be taking your equipment choice into consideration.
I agree. The judge won't be taking your equipment choice into consideration.
Quote from MightyMoe on October 3, 2024, 10:19 amIf you're using the instrument for fill in then the 5" gun is good. If you need to run a bit longer traverses maybe the 3" gun, if you need to do huge traverses and extra precision work the 1" gun would be handy. But who does huge 20-30 mile traverses anymore, I sure don't. I'm assuming you're not laying out precise building construction.
It sounds like the 5" gun will work well for your purpose. Get the 3" gun and you will never need to worry about it. The 1" gun is too much.
If you're using the instrument for fill in then the 5" gun is good. If you need to run a bit longer traverses maybe the 3" gun, if you need to do huge traverses and extra precision work the 1" gun would be handy. But who does huge 20-30 mile traverses anymore, I sure don't. I'm assuming you're not laying out precise building construction.
It sounds like the 5" gun will work well for your purpose. Get the 3" gun and you will never need to worry about it. The 1" gun is too much.
Quote from MightyMoe on October 3, 2024, 10:51 amThe other question is why are they worried about ending up in a court case because of using a 5" instrument to set property corners?
That's exactly the type of instrument made for that purpose.
I've never even heard of a surveyor having that issue come up in a court case, maybe if anyone wants to look it up give it a shot. It's probably one of those things that will take forever to find cause it didn't happen.
The other question is why are they worried about ending up in a court case because of using a 5" instrument to set property corners?
That's exactly the type of instrument made for that purpose.
I've never even heard of a surveyor having that issue come up in a court case, maybe if anyone wants to look it up give it a shot. It's probably one of those things that will take forever to find cause it didn't happen.
Quote from field-dog on October 3, 2024, 11:26 am@ bill93
I enjoyed reading the article. So much good information. I remember in 1994 when I moved from a theodolite to a total station, I was trying to compare the absolute encoders (diodes) on the total station’s plate to the etched graduations on the theodolite’s plate. It’s still a physical plate and is subject to inherent imperfections from the manufacturing process and to temperature variations.
@ bill93
I enjoyed reading the article. So much good information. I remember in 1994 when I moved from a theodolite to a total station, I was trying to compare the absolute encoders (diodes) on the total station’s plate to the etched graduations on the theodolite’s plate. It’s still a physical plate and is subject to inherent imperfections from the manufacturing process and to temperature variations.