Mr. Cow,
Let me know the next time you are grazing around the La Petite Roche and I will give you a walking tour of The Quapaw Line.
https://masonellis.wordpress.com/2013/01/20/in-search-of-the-quapaw-line/
DDSM
Thanks. Skimmed through both a little. Will need to take some time to give each some study. It is wonderful that you have assembled such history.
As for the "underdeveloped stone", that is an area I have somehow managed to never visit in all my years on this planet. Believe it or not.
Part of the issue in the linked workbooks is the mispronunciation of the river. Those of us in Kansas know the correct way to say it. That is Ar-Kan-Zus. A simple check with the Mayor of Arkansas City, KS will verify this information.
That's the first time I've seen a disk with the disclaimer "NOT A SURVEY?ÿ MARKER."
The BLM surveyor doesn't have to be licensed, however all the BLM surveyors I know are licensed, all other surveyors working on BLM lands in the state need to be licensed. Almost all surveying on, across, around BLM lands is done by private non CFed surveyors. There is very little actual BLM surveys going on at this time.
There appears to be a great deal of confusion in this thread. I thought that the OP was talking about BOUNDARIES of Reservations. Somehow this seems to have gotten perverted to working ON reservation Lands - which is altogether different. In my State no State license is necessary to survey ON Reservation Lands. Reservation Boundaries may only be resurveyed by BLM Surveyors or CFeds license holders, WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE TRIBE. These are National boundary lines that must be approved by both nations, just as work on State boundary lines must be approved by both states.
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Here are a few maps that show SOME of the "tribes" or communities.
Andy
I wonder how many different tribal names have existed in the 48 contiguous states since the arrival of the Europeans.
And then there is the problem of sorting out multiple names for the same people.?ÿ Usually each tribe had a different name for the same neighbor, and called themselves some variation of "the people."?ÿ Europeans got a lot of those names mixed up and often the wrong one stuck.?ÿ See my above post about Fox/Meskwakie/Sac and Fox.
It is similar to stupid Americans using Germany for Deutchland, Holland for Netherlands, Spain for Espa?ña, Burma vs Myanmar, Ceylon vs SriLanka and many others.
Very interesting stuff, shows how poorly the Indians were treated.
I always pronounced it Ar-Kan-Zus river, I was born along the river in Wichita.
You can survey along state lines, reservation lines, ect. They are monumented with mile markers for a reason. There is not a problem retracing these lines, re-monumenting them is a different issue. For example I re-traced 15 miles of state line, it originally was monumented with mile markers then re-monumented by the BLM, 6 miles of it shows mile markers on the new plat with the note it was not monumented, for those six miles I only tie into the new closing corners for the other nine miles I tie the mile markers. I did not put new caps along the mile markers not monumented. Those I left blank like the BLM plat. If your boundary is a state line or reservation line of course you can survey it.?ÿ
"Reservation Boundaries may only be resurveyed by BLM Surveyors or CFeds license holders, WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE TRIBE."
That statement isn't correct.?ÿ The Fed's boundary will eventually be contiguous with land under the State jurisdiction.?ÿ Half of the reservation boundary line is on the reservation, half isn't.?ÿ Further, much tribal land is under the State's jurisdiction, unless it is held by the US government.?ÿ Typically the US army holds the land an is administered by the BIA.?ÿ Beyond the exterior boundary, all the reservation land is held in common and the allotments inside in the reservation are not real boundary lines, more like lease lines.
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It's the TV people. Pronouncing Appalachian with a long a, Nor instead of Naw for Norfolk, putting the accent on the last syllable of Monroe, NC instead of on the first syllable. New Orleans and Louisville are others that TV gets wrong, not to mention omitting the unseen t that's present in the pronunciation of Wilson, NC.
The residents of a particular place know its pronunciation and others should honor that. World peace would certainly ensue.
There is just as much BLM surveying going on now was there ever was.
Your correction of Jim's statement is right, but the US Army has nothing to do with most Indian Land, federal or not.?ÿ
If you do survey up against federal land make sure you get the boundary right under federal law. The tribes will not hesitate to get BLM to resurvey their boundaries if they think a private surveyor made a mistake the negatively effects them.?ÿ
