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Surveys, Guns, and Racism ... Oh my!

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(@duane-frymire)
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@kevin-hines I was taught that as well, then found out it is wrong.

If you report to nearest square foot, then is proper to report acreage to nearest thousandth.

You can use an extra digit (hundredth) in calculating square footage, but usually least squares says we are about one tenth in distance measure.  That equates to plus or minus in square footage only good the tens place (although usually report to nearest foot for computation purpose, that extra allowed digit) and to get that in acreage you need thousandths (this is just a conversion, not a precision determination).  If you only report acreage to hundredths, now you are in 100's of square feet error in the conversion.

 
Posted : 13/03/2023 8:55 am
(@williwaw)
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Had a job like that once. Soon as I confirmed the corner hadn't been moved for my client the fruit cake neighbor came out that night and moved it. 

 
Posted : 13/03/2023 9:03 am
(@oldpacer)
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My do’s and don’ts for this job:
Do not rehab the axel
Do sent your monumentation where the axel might have been
Do not use acreage
Do use physical evidence of previous axel location
Do use distance and bearing of previous axel location
Do use ‘preliminary’ survey
In Florida, If I stand still and look at a spot on the ground long enough, it is considered a boundary determination. ‘Preliminary’ or ‘ This survey is not valid if you are looking at it’ does not invalidate the drawing.
Either do a survey or nothing. You will be on the same hook either way.

 
Posted : 13/03/2023 9:24 am
(@rover83)
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When it comes to reporting areas, I try to report square footage, or acreage, but not both unless absolutely required to. Too many tussles with clients, GIS departments, planners, plat reviewers, etc.

As a general rule, once a parcel is above an acre I'll switch from showing square footage to acreage...based on my totally arbitrary rule that at that point rounding to one hundredth of an acre (standard practice around here for surveys and official county records) is at most one hundredth of the parcel being surveyed.

 
Posted : 13/03/2023 9:36 am
(@michigan-left)
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containing X square feet; being Y.yy acres of land, more or less.

 
Posted : 13/03/2023 9:45 am
(@frozennorth)
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@kevin-hines I was taught that as well, then found out it is wrong.

Very good point.  We need to remember our significant figures training.

One hundredth of an acre is 436 square feet.  Yes, reporting to the nearest square foot is usually too precise.  But reporting to the hundredth of an acre is often too imprecise.

 

 
Posted : 13/03/2023 9:56 am
(@sergeant-schultz)
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@fairbanksls - Yeah, just ask 'em!

 
Posted : 13/03/2023 10:28 am
(@firestix)
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Meeting with my client today to acquire the previous sealed and preliminary maps.  Hopefully "Mr. Disgruntled neighbor" won't be there. 

Which brings up a few other questions about personal protection.   In the past, I would want to carry a firearm for protections against wildlife (Snakes, coyotes, and bears)  ... however, these days the "wildlife" I need protection from are disgruntled neighbors, "tweakers", and those growing "illegal crops".   Any of you carry a firearm while surveying in the woods?  And if so, could the purchase of a firearm be a business write off? 

 
Posted : 13/03/2023 10:52 am
(@jimcox)
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containing X square feet; being Y.yy acres of land, more or less.

That's pretty much exactly the Kiwi wording too.

I was taught, within the requirements for accuracy, to round areas down.

Decrease expectations and then its a nice wee surprise when everyone gets a little more 

 

 
Posted : 13/03/2023 10:59 am
(@michigan-left)
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could the purchase of a firearm be a business write off?

Carry firearms are (can be) relatively inexpensive. 

If you're looking at your personal safety through the lense of, "can i write this off or not", then it appears you don't feel strongly enough about your safety to already have said firearm. (Low danger level, so far.)

The likely answer from your CPA would probably go something like, "If you only "use" (carry) your firearm while on the clock", then the answer is probably yes, it may be a write off.

But. If you ever carry your firearm for any reason outside of work, then the answer would probably be no, you can't write off the expense.

It's kind of like having a cell phone. If you need one, get one.

 
Posted : 13/03/2023 11:08 am
(@williwaw)
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Carry firearms are (can be) relatively inexpensive. 

Until somebody gets hurt. I've yet to see a survey worth somebody getting hurt. My personal rule is simple. Moment the hair goes up on the back of my neck, I leave, immediately. No further discussion. Here it's a safe bet I will be outgunned and they will have the drop. 

 
Posted : 13/03/2023 11:40 am
(@fairbanksls)
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It can be fun to do a survey for a taking by eminent domain. Especially true if a survey crew has already been asked to leave at gunpoint. It's like dealing with a skunk. You need to talk to them really nice.

 
Posted : 13/03/2023 11:52 am
(@firestix)
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@michigan-left 

I believe you may have mis-read me.   I already have a personal firearm.  I would like to purchase another strictly for work.  

 
Posted : 13/03/2023 11:55 am
(@firestix)
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@williwaw 

Sometimes the "hair on the back of ones neck" is not enough.  I'd rather be alive and defending myself in court on why I felt the need to shoot said animal/person, than be 6 ft under and have no say in the matter at all.

 
Posted : 13/03/2023 12:00 pm
(@jflamm)
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Carry firearms are (can be) relatively inexpensive. 

Until somebody gets hurt. I've yet to see a survey worth somebody getting hurt. My personal rule is simple. Moment the hair goes up on the back of my neck, I leave, immediately. No further discussion. Here it's a safe bet I will be outgunned and they will have the drop. 

I got my CCP for the times I work in and around downtown STL.  I once had to run levels through out a boarded up Jefferson Arms building downtown that last served as an old folks home.  I forget how many stories it was but the electric was disconnected.  The only light was from our headlamps since they boarded up all the windows.  We had to run a BM in from the outside, down to the basement, and all the way up, hitting certain POI's for the architect.  Homeless had been breaking in and living in the rooms so the owner had a security guard man the front.  It was an adrenaline rush like no haunted house I'd ever been in.  I was exhausted by the time we got done.  

 

 
Posted : 13/03/2023 12:03 pm
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