Tell me more about these phantom Mineral Surveys, although there are certainly some LOST (and probably unrecoverable) Mineral Surveys around, there is usually a "clue" hidden somewhere in the related documents concerning the Claims.
There is often a LOT more to retracing Mineral Surveys than just looking at the Plat and Notes.
BTW, Mighty is spot on with his comments above. You will still need to find SOMETHING to get started on/from.
Loyal
Loyal, post: 455328, member: 228 wrote: Tell me more about these phantom Mineral Surveys, although there are certainly some LOST (and probably unrecoverable) Mineral Surveys around, there is usually a "clue" hidden somewhere in the related documents concerning the Claims.
There is often a LOT more to retracing Mineral Surveys than just looking at the Plat and Notes.
BTW, Mighty is spot on with his comments above. You will still need to find SOMETHING to get started on/from.
Loyal
Ada Cascade Lodes 3285 A & B. They were mislocated in the Master Title Plats in the wrong Township which was understandable because the GLO hadn't done the survey yet. We may have an additional, but nobody's turned up either the USLM or any of the eight corners. William Monroe was the Mineral Surveyor. I've retraced a couple of his other surveys and he did good work. Didn't go overboard on creating corners. I had a lead of a USGS map located in a drawer F I believe in Denver. A Surveyor on here was familiar with that drawer, but never got back to me on it.
I researched the patentee and he was one of Paris Gibson's henchmen. Herbert Chowen. Gibson's Accountant actually. All of his personal records are lost. I interviewed an old mineral and resident of Running Wolf about the claim. He had never run into it or heard of it. No other claims in the area used the USLM or tied into any of the corners of the claims.Both claims are located on nasty steep side slopes with a drainage where they have common corners. That area is easy to search, but nothing was ever found there. A Surveyor who goes around doing seminars contacted me a couple of years back. He was cocksure he would find them. The terrain was too tough for him and he left with his tail between his legs. That about covers what I know.
Skeeter1996, post: 455336, member: 9224 wrote: Ada Cascade Lodes 3285 A & B. They were mislocated in the Master Title Plats in the wrong Township which was understandable because the GLO hadn't done the survey yet. We may have an additional, but nobody's turned up either the USLM or any of the eight corners. William Monroe was the Mineral Surveyor. I've retraced a couple of his other surveys and he did good work. Didn't go overboard on creating corners. I had a lead of a USGS map located in a drawer F I believe in Denver. A Surveyor on here was familiar with that drawer, but never got back to me on it.
I researched the patentee and he was one of Paris Gibson's henchmen. Herbert Chowen. Gibson's Accountant actually. All of his personal records are lost. I interviewed an old mineral and resident of Running Wolf about the claim. He had never run into it or heard of it. No other claims in the area used the USLM or tied into any of the corners of the claims.Both claims are located on nasty steep side slopes with a drainage where they have common corners. That area is easy to search, but nothing was ever found there. A Surveyor who goes around doing seminars contacted me a couple of years back. He was cocksure he would find them. The terrain was too tough for him and he left with his tail between his legs. That about covers what I know.
I think it was imaudigger was the one who knew of the existence of the USGS drawer.
Skeeter1996, post: 455336, member: 9224 wrote: Ada Cascade Lodes 3285 A & B. They were mislocated in the Master Title Plats in the wrong Township which was understandable because the GLO hadn't done the survey yet. We may have an additional, but nobody's turned up either the USLM or any of the eight corners. William Monroe was the Mineral Surveyor. I've retraced a couple of his other surveys and he did good work. Didn't go overboard on creating corners. I had a lead of a USGS map located in a drawer F I believe in Denver. A Surveyor on here was familiar with that drawer, but never got back to me on it.
I researched the patentee and he was one of Paris Gibson's henchmen. Herbert Chowen. Gibson's Accountant actually. All of his personal records are lost. I interviewed an old mineral and resident of Running Wolf about the claim. He had never run into it or heard of it. No other claims in the area used the USLM or tied into any of the corners of the claims.Both claims are located on nasty steep side slopes with a drainage where they have common corners. That area is easy to search, but nothing was ever found there. A Surveyor who goes around doing seminars contacted me a couple of years back. He was cocksure he would find them. The terrain was too tough for him and he left with his tail between his legs. That about covers what I know.
Interesting, could be a real stinker.
Do you have the Mineral Survey Field Notes, Patent, and the Field Notes on the USLM?
Loyal
Loyal, post: 455348, member: 228 wrote: Interesting, could be a real stinker.
Do you have the Mineral Survey Field Notes, Patent, and the Field Notes on the USLM?
Loyal
Yes I do. They're on the internet. I even got copies of the original stuff from the National Archives.
Loyal, post: 455348, member: 228 wrote: Interesting, could be a real stinker.
Do you have the Mineral Survey Field Notes, Patent, and the Field Notes on the USLM?
Loyal
It definitely is a stinker.
Skeeter1996, post: 455352, member: 9224 wrote: Yes I do. They're on the internet. I even got copies of the original stuff from the National Archives.
I found the Plat on the GLO site, but no notes or patent
Loyal, post: 455355, member: 228 wrote: I found the Plat on the GLO site, but no notes or patent
Request them from the Montana BLM site. They have the connection diagram also. Which I found useless.
roger_LS, post: 455308, member: 11550 wrote: Skeeter- NO politics allowed on this forum. I think whining is also against the rules.
No cheese with my whine? I did feel like I was treading on thin ice when I mentioned Trump. No Democrats on here evidently.
MightyMoe, post: 455325, member: 700 wrote: Loyal isn't saying an LDP somehow leads you to Mineral Claim monuments. What we are all saying is that it creates a good retraceable basis for your survey.
If you want a true north system you can set your central meridian through the middle of the site and you will be within a few tens of seconds of true with your grid bearings. Like Glen says you can do that off google.
You will have GPS projected to the surface with small PPM's for your distances.
Finding evidence is like it always is, you search, once you find one you navigate from the found one to the next one and so on.
There is no magic program that finds corners for you.
After all you are creating a crude LDP with a calibration, an LDP where you are unaware of it's parameters.
So how is that better or even different from calculating coordinates from an original survey record. Configuring to one or more found corners and navigating to the rest of them if I want accurate geographical coordinates I OPUS the RTK base file and correct the base "here" coordinates with the OPUS values. What advantage is there to creating a LDP?
Skeeter1996, post: 455369, member: 9224 wrote: So how is that better or even different from calculating coordinates from an original survey record. Configuring to one or more found corners and navigating to the rest of them if I want accurate geographical coordinates I OPUS the RTK base file and correct the base "here" coordinates with the OPUS values. What advantage is there to creating a LDP?
Appendices D and E of this paper are a great starting point for engaging your questions.
https://www.ngs.noaa.gov/PUBS_LIB/NGSRealTimeUserGuidelines.v2.1.pdf
Popcorn is ready.
Joe the Surveyor, post: 455384, member: 118 wrote: Popcorn is ready.
Lol I just popped a batch 10 seconds before I read your post.
Skeeter1996, post: 454923, member: 9224 wrote: Hopefully your not walking the line with your compass and hip chain.
When talking OLD surveys, walking the line with a compass and hip chain is one of the best ways to follow in the footsteps of the original surveyor.
Taking the fastest and most direct path to the corner isn't always the best approach. I'm sure you know that.
Skeeter1996, post: 455369, member: 9224 wrote: So how is that better or even different from calculating coordinates from an original survey record. Configuring to one or more found corners and navigating to the rest of them if I want accurate geographical coordinates I OPUS the RTK base file and correct the base "here" coordinates with the OPUS values. What advantage is there to creating a LDP?
Heck, just keep calibrating.
