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Pincushion monuments> Whoa Nellie

There are some issues that can, and should be determined by a professional at the time and circumstances s/he is dealing with. Some laws, Board Rules, county regulations, agency regulations, go to too great of extremes telling surveyors how to handle particular circumstances, in my opinion. I'm often determining an ambiguous position for a corner, and I need someone telling me what kind of monument to set, or how to best perpetuate the position? Aren't I professional enough to figure out how to leave adequate footsteps? If not, maybe I shouldn't have been able to acquire my license.

Yes, it disturbs me how some municipalities and other entities are setting standards for our profession.

 
Posted : August 15, 2013 12:33 pm
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Pincushion monuments> Whoa Nellie

> Is anyone else disturbed that municipalities are directing survey regulations?

What disturbs me are that regulators should not introduce ambiguity into the regulation, but are clear in its intent. Using vague and undefined terms is not serving the public or us.

 
Posted : August 15, 2013 1:06 pm
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> "Do not set a monument where the Tract Boundary intersects a street centerline (unless said position is a centerline intersection). This eliminates/minimizes unwanted angle points in street centerlines."
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> Jp

Very interesting. In your 1st post "minor" is not defined. Another ambiguity.

The Tract Boundary/Centerline intersection situation sounds a bit unique, if not rare.

I always wondered about BC and EC points. After a few years of crustal movement like we have in CA those tangent bearings are not the same anymore. Which effects the curve Delta hence the tangents will change. Which effects the location of the BC and EC's. I try to treat those as POL's and recalc the curve with a new PI's. I won't make them angle points, if I can avoid it.

That is how I was 'taught back east anyway.;-)

 
Posted : August 15, 2013 2:07 pm
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virtual pin cushions.

:good: :good: :good:

 
Posted : August 15, 2013 4:45 pm
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Pincushion monuments> Whoa Nellie

:good: :good: :good:

 
Posted : August 15, 2013 8:51 pm
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Just so I am clear; is this is what you are advocating?

(brazenly copied from "PINCUSHION EFFECT
The Multiple Monument Dilemma in
American Land Surveying" by Jeffery N. Lucas)

 
Posted : August 16, 2013 1:17 pm
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I don't think that is what Duane wants.

If a Surveyor has determined none of the various objects in the vicinity of the corner is a valid boundary monument then he should set a monument at the corner, not just note it on the map. The boundary surveyor better have a very good reason for doing that but it does happen occasionally.

 
Posted : August 16, 2013 1:30 pm
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