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(@mightymoe)
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I got a lecture on how to proceed to survey a family ranch. One of the seven interested parties explained to me that they have a legal description describing their parcel and I have to follow it to the letter (one description doesn't close by 47'). ?ÿ

Had I done so I would have shrunk the property by almost 20 acres...ƒ??ƒ??ƒ??.

Also I needed to map out the county road per the OLD maps and not the new ones, even though the county road maps and the description are in conflict.

I think I'll just continue how I was going to from the time I first looked at this "interesting" parcel. It will not look like the GIS, that's for sure.?ÿ

 
Posted : 15/11/2019 8:23 am
(@dougie)
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Posted by: @mightymoe

One of the seven interested parties explained to me that they have a legal description describing their parcel and I have to follow it to the letter

OK, but it's going to cost you; my fee just doubled...

 
Posted : 15/11/2019 8:34 am
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Posted by: @mightymoe

One of the seven interested parties

Now you did it. You have more than seven now.

 
Posted : 15/11/2019 8:58 am
(@norman-oklahoma)
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Posted by: @mightymoe

I got a lecture on how to proceed to survey a family ranch.....

Quoting Perry Mason, "You are free to terminate our relationship at any time. But as long as I represent you I will not allow my hands to be tied in any way."

 
Posted : 15/11/2019 11:17 am
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@norman-oklahoma

Put that on your business card

 

 
Posted : 15/11/2019 1:28 pm
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A brief detour.........speaking of Perry Mason.?ÿ Some of us are old enough to remember when The Flintstones was a new television show.?ÿ When Barney and Betty decided they would like to have a child of their own they chose Bamm Bamm. (October 3, 1963)?ÿ But, some crotchedy old rich guy decided he wanted Bamm Bamm.?ÿ He hired Perry Masonry to represent him.?ÿ In this rare case, Perry lost.?ÿ It so happens the TV show Perry Mason was one of the top shows at the same time as The Flintstones and was a direct competitor at the time this aired.

 
Posted : 15/11/2019 1:48 pm
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.....It will not look like the GIS, that's for sure.?ÿ

YEA!!!!!!!!!!!

 
Posted : 15/11/2019 9:41 pm
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Posted by: @mightymoe

It will not look like the GIS, that's for sure.?ÿ

Which reminds me of a conversation I recently had with a friend whose son is a concrete contractor.?ÿ On a local job replacing a disintegrating driveway, the city inspector made him take out the existing flare at the curb cut because it was over the lot line projected to the curb on the GIS.?ÿ

The GIS shows everybody's fences a couple feet off the lines and even other driveways over the lines.?ÿ I looked for survey records in the neighborhood and found none close enough to help.?ÿ He also used my magnetic locator and found no monuments on the front of that or adjacent lots.?ÿ

But the GIS ruled - "it's on the city web site so it has to be right."

And I even wonder what the legality is of projecting the lot lines into the dedicated street.?ÿ You are using some of that "public" land for the end of your driveway so why does it matter if it is in front of your lot or your neighbor's?

 
Posted : 16/11/2019 6:55 am
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I had one a couple of summers ago, the lady that was representing her family called us from FL.?ÿ When we started working on the property, it was discovered the property had not been visited by anyone, no cattle, no nothing for 25 years. Very overgrown and dense.?ÿ The lady doing the representing kept arguing us that it shouldn't be taking so long, she remembered from her childhood there were roads and trails everywhere.... This lady also said she was a real estate broker, and argued our fees.?ÿ A quick search of her in t he internet showed she had been stripped of her real estate license for gross misrepresentation of facts.

 
Posted : 18/11/2019 6:43 am
(@andy-bruner)
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Posted by: @monte

A quick search of her in t he internet showed she had been stripped of her real estate license for gross misrepresentation of facts.

Now Monte that CAN'T be right.?ÿ If real estate agents were stripped of licensure for "gross misrepresentation of facts" there wouldn't be but 10 or 12 in the Metro Atlanta area.

Andy

 
Posted : 18/11/2019 7:55 am
(@dougie)
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Posted by: @andy-bruner

there wouldn't be but 10 or 12 anywhere in the country.

There; I fixed it...

 
Posted : 18/11/2019 8:40 am
(@jaccen)
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GIS = Get It Surveyed.

Here, the municipal GIS databases are based on the legal cadastral fabric assembled by the Ontario Registry Office--not the other way around.

 
Posted : 18/11/2019 10:11 am
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@jaccen

In a Torrens system the GIS might have a bit more weight, especially if the photos got aligned correctly. But, there are all sorts of issues with implementing that in a web environment. 

 
Posted : 18/11/2019 11:23 am
(@lukenz)
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New Zealand uses the Torrens system and all surveys post 2007 are created and lodged digitally in Landonline (all boundary surveys are recorded).  That leaves a lot of the country not covered and while the govt department in charge does have a reasonably accurate spatial dataset for urban areas its not so good in rural areas.  Still no substitute for fieldwork when it comes to determining legal boundaries.

 
Posted : 18/11/2019 4:25 pm
(@dougie)
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@dmyhill

Take a look at what they are doing in British Columbia.

It's a non-profit, private company that takes care of the survey and title information in the entire Province.

A friend of mine wrote an article and I went with him on 2 interviews in 2009. We talked for a total of about 8 hours with the head of the survey and his assistant.

Looked like a phenomenal system...

 
Posted : 18/11/2019 5:02 pm
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