Pretty good synopsis of the process:
I believe this is Walt Robillard's grandson (Nettleman Land Consultants).
And this is why this is a dying professional career.
Because of the disparity and opinions of each state board not having any continuity on what is responsible charge, I won't be buying the nlc prep either.
Crappy sales pitch.
Get a job in survey, go to school or don't, but as a second career second degree seeking now SrFCC?ÿ (only to get the abet check box ) I would disagree completely with this assessment of how to go about becoming a licensed surveyor.
That's my $0.02
I'm doing it my way, which fits my life style and circumstances.
By not working in the field first I believe the college education is a waste of time esp if you decide you don't want to work in survey. It's more than any engineering degree as an avocation, a career, even a calling.
Bah humbug and get off my astro turf
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I recall a fairly recent plat prepared by Nettleman Consulting with Mr. Robillard's seal. I wasn't impressed.
...And this is why this is a dying professional career.?ÿ
It has seemed that way to me at times too.?ÿ But I believe the profession has a great deal of resilience.?ÿ?ÿ
One could say the profession has been dying since we hung up our Gunter's chain and put a log on the fire because "everything has already been surveyed".?ÿ Yet somehow we still hit the ground every morning with our Schonstedts and shovels.?ÿ And we will continue to do so as long as ownership of private property continues as a popular trend.?ÿ The survival of the profession depends on our ability to improvise, overcome and adapt.?ÿ ?ÿ(apology to Gunny Highway)
When I started surveying over 50 years ago we used antiquated tools from the previous century.?ÿ My time as a surveyor has seen the most incredible leaps and bounds in the technology we utilize.?ÿ We've already survived a huge shift in the paradigm of the application of our specific science.?ÿ And I believe we will continue to evolve as a profession.
Remember DeForest Kelley's character Bones in Star Trek??ÿ?ÿHe was constantly complaining about the complexity of current situations and proclaiming that he was "just an old Country doctor" that wasn't equipped for the modern world.?ÿ Yet he always prevailed.?ÿ The character's exhibition of this past-present-future dilemma was probably one of Roddenberry's unique social comments about the human inability to cope with the evolution of technology.?ÿ And this was over 50 years ago.?ÿ The surveying profession's situation is hardly unique.?ÿ Our entire society suffers from a disconnect of yesterday and today due to the acceleration of change.?ÿ This was plainly evident recently when I recently took my twelve year old flip phone to the store to get the battery replaced.?ÿ The first word out of the clerk's mouth was "wow...".
In Oklahoma an individual is no longer qualified to sit for the LS exam without a degree.?ÿ When I sat for the exam I was literally a high school dropout with hardly a tenth grade education.?ÿ While I romantically yearn for the world of yesterday, it's passing is probably not only a good thing but also a requirement so that the profession may survive.
Whether the 21st. century or 22nd. century; some young person will stand out in the wind and sun with an old deed and discover bounds long since buried by a previous surveyor...and feel that excitement of "time travel" to which we as surveyors are so accustomed.?ÿ ?ÿ
I'm pretty sure our profession will survive as a career.?ÿ 😉
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I clicked on the video to see if Nettleman had some more videos. It seems this video was done by the same firm that produced this video.
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When I started surveying over 50 years ago we used antiquated tools from the previous century.?ÿ My time as a surveyor has seen the most incredible leaps and bounds in the technology we utilize
Here is something to ponder. Especially the 20th Century portion. ?????ÿ
Bah humbug and get off my astro turf
And for cripes sakes take those Medicare insurance hawkers, J. J. Walker and Joe Namath with you. ?????ÿ
And this is why this is a dying professional career.
Because of the disparity and opinions of each state board not having any continuity on what is responsible charge, I won't be buying the nlc prep either.
Crappy sales pitch.
Get a job in survey, go to school or don't, but as a second career second degree seeking now SrFCC?ÿ (only to get the abet check box ) I would disagree completely with this assessment of how to go about becoming a licensed surveyor.
That's my $0.02
I'm doing it my way, which fits my life style and circumstances.
By not working in the field first I believe the college education is a waste of time esp if you decide you don't want to work in survey. It's more than any engineering degree as an avocation, a career, even a calling.
Bah humbug and get off my astro turf
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I disagree that it a dying profession especially when we have people like you dying to get into the profession.
State boundary laws and standards of practice do vary. If you want to be licensed in more than one state you must learn and adhere to each state??s rules for licensure and the boundary laws of that state. I have zero problem with that.?ÿ
I went to college with about 20 guys in the 80??s. I think all of us were licensed within 6 years or less after graduation. We are all still surveying. We followed the path outlined by our state board at the time.?ÿ
There is nothing wrong with doing it your way. But there is a path of least resistance and it has been proven to be a successful approach to licensure.?ÿ
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I agree.
In Bones speak..
"I concur. But dammit Jim....."
I am doing my part(but not enough yet) to add to the resiliency and continuation of the process, and there are a few grains for people who follow his path, but I have my own personal perspective. Viewing his resume it seems he is not a real field guy and I'm ok with that. I think he is more book smart and courtroom savvy which isn't the traditional survey path. I'm old fashioned I suppose.
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Do they still make and sell Geritol?
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Ok video, but it's not going to motivate many young people to choose land surveying over something else.
This profession of ours has survived hundreds of years with people who didn't have college educations, starting from the bottom and working their way up.?ÿ I see no reason why we're trying to mess with that formula, even shutting out some of our best workers who can't obtain a degree.
I'm sure that I'm in the minority here, but I don't think that most of what we do and offer has really changed.?ÿ Sure, equipment and some methods have changed, but the bottom line, as far as boundary surveying, it's basically the same.
Sorry for the slight hijack.?ÿ I even thought about going on more about the need to limit our liability, value-based pricing, and improving how other professionals view and treat ours, but I stopped myself.?ÿ
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Don't stop... Surveying has been lassoed into extra liability because " the lawyers" and being an attorney and a surveyor shouldn't be a pathway to the highest point in this career path, just a very esoteric one, and needed less if good surveys are being done, regardless of education. The whole ABET thing is a product that evolved from lazy boards not punishing their buddies and then yes you guessed it " the lawyers" found an easier target to pull into the liability chain for things they shouldn't be liable for, but hey follow the money.
Not all lawyers are bad.
Just like most doctors aren't sued for malpractice regularly.
Surveying is an awesome rewarding career, and I'll always support it more with out lawyerish involved anything except courtroom decided cases based on the statutes.
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Meh. End of year P&V I suppose.
I'm peeved I can't find Geritol.
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@jph We see the advances in measurement science every day. They are in our face. The changes in boundary surveying are not as obvious, though I contend they are at least as significant.
The body of case law and availability of information is nearly overwhelming. A site like this allows exposure to dozens of opinions (many professional) in an instant. We are expanding from the one to one mentor (aka survey by wives tale) to having a world of diverse knowledge at our fingertips.
I came up old school and know the path well. I had one formal college course in surveying when I got my first license. The world has changed and that isn't likely to get you there these days. That doesn't slam the door. There are ways to get an ABET degree without sitting in a classroom for years. If you really have the knowledge, challenge classes. Portfolio your experience for credit. Find a way.
This will sound harsh, but it's true nonetheless. No other profession screams for the right to a license based on sitting in the truck long enough. The path without a degree is there, but it's longer and harder. It should be.
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Nah, they're of your generation.?ÿ I'm too busy stirring the pot for mine...
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And boy howdy I got to tell you, these FR and heat reflective PJs I got for Christmas are working amazingly well, flamethrower away!?ÿ?ÿ
I love this site!
Potty language aside it's the freedom of speech in action and didactics between the population that participate here.
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Woohoo!!
