A bit of history first, we did the construction staking on a big subdivision that straddled the county line, which also happened to be a big power line. Came in traversed the boundary found most existing monuments fit fairly well within about 0.4' so we wiggled in between so we didn't miss anything more than 0.2' and ran with it. fast forward 8 months, platting surveyor stetting lot corners and CL pcp's that are missing our lot cor stakes by about 0.8' on the south end of the job and get progressively closer as you go north. Contractor wants to know WTF. So we go back out check, and double check and find all of the newly monumented lot corners and centerline skewing the existing monumentation along the East and West boundaries (bounded on East by State Road R/W and on the West by a monumented wetland line (5/8" rebar and caps with platting surveyors #). None of the lot corners that were supposed to be on line between wetland pi's were on line...you get the picture. Two weeks later all of the 5/8" rebar marking the wetland line were gone replaced with 4X4 conc PRM mons that now "magically" line up with the lot corner stakes. Fast forward another 2 months we get the staking contract on a commercial site adjoining the subdivision on the North. This site has a long wetland boundary along the back and this time it is monumented with 4x4 CM's (same surveyor). We tie in the entire boundary and everything fits quite well so we're off to the races stake the whole site everything goes smoothly. At the end of the construction we are contracted to do an ALTA on this site, crew goes out and sets up on two inter-visible concrete monuments on the South side of the property and is about to begin their traverse for the ALTA when a crew from the company who's monuments these are pulls up and informs our PC "not to use those monuments yet, that they are going to be 'moving' them.
You just can't make this stuff up.
RRain
I do that all the time.. ya know, just mess with the competition! 🙂
Around here you are required to inform other Surveyors in writing prior to working on a project they are contracted on. One benefit is you will usually hear back if things aren't final...
Was any or all of the monuments set by the other surveyor fine their way to any documents that were recorded?
That would be declaring to the public that these are indeed the monuments.
My understanding is that any monument in the ground, right or wrong is still evidence of someone's survey and should not be destroyed.
Your survey has probably made the monuments of record and removal and/or moving of the monuments would cause your survey to be somewhat invalid.
I would bring that to their point and let them know that they may have to fund your survey as well for their mistake, just saying.
At some point, we get past the OOPs state of things (out of position) and IMVHO, setting a concrete monument is a "here it is" statement.
The only time I have seen entire projects scrapped were surveys that involved having HUD approval.
Everything had to be in place and finalized because once HUD approved no more could be done or added. If it did not get approval, it was either make these changes and start the approval process again or it was a bust and would never happen.
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A Harris, post: 411568, member: 81 wrote: Was any or all of the monuments set by the other surveyor fine their way to any documents that were recorded?
That would be declaring to the public that these are indeed the monuments.
My understanding is that any monument in the ground, right or wrong is still evidence of someone's survey and should not be destroyed.
Your survey has probably made the monuments of record and removal and/or moving of the monuments would cause your survey to be somewhat invalid.
I would bring that to their point and let them know that they may have to fund your survey as well for their mistake, just saying.
At some point, we get past the OOPs state of things (out of position) and IMVHO, setting a concrete monument is a "here it is" statement.
The only time I have seen entire projects scrapped were surveys that involved having HUD approval.
Everything had to be in place and finalized because once HUD approved no more could be done or added. If it did not get approval, it was either make these changes and start the approval process again or it was a bust and would never happen.
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Unfortunately Florida is not a recording state for anything other than Subdivision Plats and sketch of descriptions which are usually recorded as part of a deed.