We have a certain municipality which refuses to accept current elevation certificates. They claim that the revised form has placed the surveyorÛªs certificate on the elevation page. (Which is where it should have been in the first place)
Does anyone (Ahem, Stephen Ward) know anything about this?
TIA 😎
Yes - the new form was redesigned by FEMA and is the only one they will accept. Unlike the previous version, this one allows forgery. The FEMA Flood Plain Administrator for the municipality should be aware that the new form is the one to use.
FL/GA PLS., post: 410164, member: 379 wrote: We have a certain municipality which refuses to accept current elevation certificates. They claim that the revised form has placed the surveyorÛªs certificate on the elevation page. (Which is where it should have been in the first place)
Does anyone (Ahem, Stephen Ward) know anything about this?
TIA 😎
Here's a link: https://surveyorconnect.com/community/threads/elevation-certificate-form-only.327413/
In the thread linked above I took the latest version of the FEMA form, stripped out the instructions, and modified the data type of a few fields so that text could be used instead of strictly numbers. This form has an expiration date of Nov 30, 2018 which is the same as the form available https://www.fema.gov/media-library/assets/documents/160&apos ;">here from FEMA.
[USER=1206]@Stephen Ward[/USER]
Thank you, I have use your forms which are great. For some reason the municipal "engineer" insists the new form has the surveyors signature on page 1?
Beats me what the hell he is talking about. He has rejected 12 EC's on production houses due to close next Friday. Needless to say my client is raising holy hell. Gonna go into "research" mode until I find out what is going on.
BTW this municipality also requires an EC for pool pump pads? wtf
Have a great weekend. 😎
FL/GA PLS., post: 410178, member: 379 wrote: [USER=1206]@Stephen Ward[/USER]
Thank you, I have use your forms which are great. For some reason the municipal "engineer" insists the new form has the surveyors signature on page 1?
Beats me what the hell he is talking about. He has rejected 12 EC's on production houses due to close next Friday. Needless to say my client is raising holy hell. Gonna go into "research" mode until I find out what is going on.
BTW this municipality also requires an EC for pool pump pads? wtfHave a great weekend. 😎
You need to have your local Floodplain Administrator talk to your municipal "engineer." The new forms moved the signature/seal to Page 2, which allows forgery to occur. Your municipal "engineer" is just going to have to accept it...
FL/GA PLS., post: 410178, member: 379 wrote: BTW this municipality also requires an EC for pool pump pads?
If it's something covered by insurance, they need to know where it sits with respect to the BFE in order to assess risk. I did an EC on pool equipment once, but it's unusual around here to get that request.
FL/GA PLS., post: 410178, member: 379 wrote: [USER=1206]@Stephen Ward[/USER]
Thank you, I have use your forms which are great. For some reason the municipal "engineer" insists the new form has the surveyors signature on page 1?
Beats me what the hell he is talking about. He has rejected 12 EC's on production houses due to close next Friday. Needless to say my client is raising holy hell. Gonna go into "research" mode until I find out what is going on.
BTW this municipality also requires an EC for pool pump pads? wtfHave a great weekend. 😎
The first version of the form that came out was on legal size paper and had the seal on different page than where the surveyed elevations go. The letter size version is the only one still available on FEMA's site. It has a publication date of June 13, 2016 with a revision date of October 6, 2016. Send him to this link https://www.fema.gov/media-library/assets/documents/160 so that he can see for himself.
Are you guys using the most current version of the cert? Not the preliminary one that is legal size, but the final one?
The issue with the signature on the second page has been resolved by also having the elevations on the same page. The preliminary version had the elevations on page one and signature on page two.
Current Version:
Jim in AZ, post: 410181, member: 249 wrote: You need to have your local Floodplain Administrator talk to your municipal "engineer." The new forms moved the signature/seal to Page 2, which allows forgery to occur. Your municipal "engineer" is just going to have to accept it...
Thanks, after I'm done frustrating myself with "research" I will meet with him and show him all these posts. More posts to come, I hope!
Jim Frame, post: 410183, member: 10 wrote: If it's something covered by insurance, they need to know where it sits with respect to the BFE in order to assess risk. I did an EC on pool equipment once, but it's unusual around here to get that request.
Swimming pools and hot tubs are not covered under NFIP, so I'm not sure why that would be required. Unless it's a private flood policy or covered under a different type of policy.
andrewm, post: 410190, member: 10888 wrote: Swimming pools and hot tubs are not covered under NFIP, so I'm not sure why that would be required. Unless it's a private flood policy or covered under a different type of policy.
Try to do work within the City of Orlando; they have some of the most ridiculous requirements imaginable with respect to single family residences. We were asked to ÛÏcertifyÛ that the concrete poured for a new driveway met the 3500psi standard they required Ummm no.
Of course this is Florida, the home of a free range insane asylum.
Have a great weeked!
FL/GA PLS., post: 410201, member: 379 wrote: Try to do work within the City of Orlando; they have some of the most ridiculous requirements imaginable with respect to single family residences. We were asked to ÛÏcertifyÛ that the concrete poured for a new driveway met the 3500psi standard they required Ummm no.
Of course this is Florida, the home of a free range insane asylum.
Have a great weeked!
Ok now you're talking! I haven't tested concrete strength since college (looong time ago), but my favorite lab was busting concrete cylinders to test compression strength. So I'm game to rent a concrete coring saw and find a testing lab. Do I have to fill in the hole when I'm done??
I added a note in the comments section stating that the form is not valid unless I have added my signed, stamped and dated in blue ink approval on the first page. No one ever complained. It all appears on page 2 as well.
andrewm, post: 410202, member: 10888 wrote: Ok now you're talking! I haven't tested concrete strength since college (looong time ago), but my favorite lab was busting concrete cylinders to test compression strength. So I'm game to rent a concrete coring saw and find a testing lab. Do I have to fill in the hole when I'm done??
Yes you have to fill it. The new concrete has to be tested though...
Thanks y'all, I really appreciate the responses.
If this situation continues, with this municipality, I'm going to have to involve those dreadful things called "ATTORNEYS".
That sounds kinda Mickey Mouse (C) ...
Holy Cow, post: 410210, member: 50 wrote: I added a note in the comments section stating that the form is not valid unless I have added my signed, stamped and dated in blue ink approval on the first page. No one ever complained. It all appears on page 2 as well.
This is EXACTLY what I did. In bold all-cap wording.
andrewm, post: 410190, member: 10888 wrote: Swimming pools and hot tubs are not covered under NFIP, so I'm not sure why that would be required. Unless it's a private flood policy or covered under a different type of policy.
The requirement came from the Building Dept., so maybe it had more to do with electrical codes than NFIP. I've done a couple of them, in any case, in order to meet county requirements.
We print ours two sided and seal with a raised seal which in effect seals both pages 1 and 2.
[USER=1206]@Stephen Ward[/USER]
Stephen,
The "latest" form you have provided for us lowly surveyors works perfectly and is accepted by the municipality I was having difficulties with.
Thank you for you time and effort in providing the form to us. It is greatly appreciated. 🙂