@mike-marks I am a registered forester.?ÿ ?ÿAre You?
I know what the requirements are in Mississippi, Arkansas and Alabama.?ÿ Look them up for yourself.
No, I do not know what California standards are.?ÿ Not surprised if they are lacking in California.?ÿ?ÿ
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The Educational Backgroung of a Registered Professional Forester usually includes at least a Bachelor of Science degree in a forest-related field.?ÿ A BS in Forestry may be substituted for four of the required seven years of work experience necessary to qualify for the licensing exam..?ÿ Many RPF's also have a Master's or PH.D in Forestry, in combination with a BA or BS in a field other than forestry.?ÿ This combination can also be used in lieu of four years of forestry work experience.?ÿ These are the exact words printed in the paragraph above the pertaining to list of qualifications you refered to earlier from the California Registered Professional Forester's website.
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So I take back my "Not surprised if they are lacking in California" statement.?ÿ California does have it covered.
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I don??t ?ÿhave any experience with CA rules, but ?ÿMaine requirements seem a bit more strict.?ÿThere is a BS, AS, and an experience path, min 4 yrs for experience only. Most LF I know in Maine have a BS from an accredited university.
Any of the paths above must have min. ?ÿ2 yrs experience, up to 4 yrs. as Licensed ??Intern Forester? working under a LF. ?ÿAll the experience has to be logged, reviewed and endorsed by LF. The Maine requirements for forester are not a whole lot less rigorous than the pls ?ÿor PE requirements here, at least IMHO. ?ÿWe have annual continuing education requirements as well.
That said, I think Maine (and NH) ?ÿare among of the more strict states, perhaps as a result of our extensive logging and paper making history?? so @mike-marks, perhaps you are right for the majority of the US..
I appreciate the thread and I learned something new, like most times I come by here!?ÿThanks to u all.
NC State University has a publication that helps landowners through the sale of their timber. A word search produces more than 30 instances of the word "boundary." The publication is here: https://content.ces.ncsu.edu/timber-sales-a-planning-guide-for-landowners
Back in the mid-eighties, I wrote a computer program for a forester who was an NC State graduate forester. It computed monthly payments for amounts he advanced to loggers to purchase standing timber and prepared monthly statements and bills. He was still using it in 1998 and maintained one old IBM PC with an 8086 or 8088 processor to run it. It was an absolutely fascinating business that had an unbelievable variety of participants.
Anyway, a relevant passage from the NC State publication is below. It requires quite a bit of effort on the part of the forester.
Boundary marking.?ÿBoundary marking requires the forester to check the deed registry, locate the most recent survey, consult with adjacent landowners, and identify boundaries on the ground. Boundaries are flagged, blazed, or painted, and a map showing their bearing and length is drawn and given to the landowner. The consultant may recommend a registered surveyor in case of contested boundaries, litigation, relocation of corners and lines, or establishment of new lines. The consultant cannot provide bona fide surveying services unless he or she is licensed by the state as a registered land surveyor.
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A BS in Forestry may be substituted for four of the required seven years of work experience necessary to qualify for the licensing exam.
I stand corrected(?).?ÿ A four year BS Forestry degree in California substitutes year for year in accruing the seven year experience requirement to sit for the exam so the applicant only needs three years of field experience more.?ÿ I confused it with that a Bachelor of Science degree in a forestry-related field is not equivalent to a Bachelor of Science degree with a major in forestry. No more than two (2) years shall be substituted in that case.
Everything else I posted is still accurate.?ÿ ?ÿWe're running in to the deride the messenger vs. apprise the message argument.?ÿ Here's the link for folks who want to decipher the California statutes themselves:
Professional Foresters ?? Laws and Regulations ?? 2021 California Forest Practice Rules
I reiterate I have no horse in this race, but stand by that a formal education in forestry is not required in California, seven years of field experience suffices.?ÿ Again, that's fair and I've had very few beefs with RPFs?ÿ in my career which involved a lot of logging activities;?ÿ usually when I get called in to delineate a boundary they're overjoyed I'll delineate it at someone else's expense.?ÿ Major sales involve hundreds of thousands of dollars so the services of a land surveyor are trivial.
@murphy I'm glad to see the state of Maine recognized a deficiency in the laws from "Roman times" and has made it clear the onus is on the owner of the trees to be harvested to not only mark the boundary line but also to notify adjoiners.?ÿ
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You need to Google the Maine rule in relation to AP before mentioning that Maine is righting deficiencies.
Also, do you find no irony that you are using the Roman alphabet, letter for letter, to communicate how silly you find the roots of our laws??ÿ?ÿ
One of history's old fuddy duddies once said: The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.
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Straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak.
Thanks for your input on this, Roger
I was wondering if Murphy was having one of those romanticized, yet cloudy, hearkening for the good ol' days, type of reminiscing of things.?ÿ But his continuing posts in defense of this type of thing makes me thing not.?ÿ Oh, well
I was born in the 80s and I don't pine to go back.?ÿ I like the present, presently.?ÿ?ÿ
You are completely wrong about how I view this issue.?ÿ My acceptance that owners of property have to defend it has nothing to do with a desire to see people's rights infringed upon.?ÿ All around me, I see good intentions causing harm to people.?ÿ I see regulations that were designed to stop unscrupulous developers do nothing more than stop the upward mobility of the poor.?ÿ I see housing regulations and restrictions on density create situations in which armies of homeless live under bridges and clusters of trees.?ÿ I truly believe that any solution you or any of us could come up with to stop a forester from flagging cut limits would not stop the situation that began this thread but would likely just strip money away from small timber lot owners or the laborers that work for timber companies.?ÿ My disgust for more and more and more regulation is not because I find no problems with the current system, but rather because I abhor violence and appreciate that every new regulation must be enforced.?ÿ I don't have enough money to afford justice in America and this concerns me much more than the need to make another rule for a problem that is only rarely realized.?ÿ I extend this to surveying too.?ÿ How many landowners purchase land, without a survey, and have no problems at all??ÿ Answer: The vast vast majority.?ÿ Does this mean that I advise people that a survey is unnecessary? Absolutely not, but it does keep me from thinking that I'm indispensable, it does give me pause when I hear surveyors claim to know more about risk assessment than lending institutions.
