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@norman-oklahoma 

Fortunately, that excerpt is for the engineers.

That language was initially presented as the "standard" across the disciplines (A, E, S) for exactly the reason you suggest. Which does give wide latitude to the Department and the Board to promulgate almost any rule(s) they want, as things change. (The legislature was tired of continuously rewriting/amending the statute(s) every year or two, or X.)

It was intended to be applied similarly to the Architects and the Surveyors, but it did not make it.

In MI, the State, the Department(s), and the Licensing Board(s) (Occupations) are rooted in statute(s) that are old, outdated, and clunky to administer. Our licensing boards have little to no power. They serve in an "advisory capacity" only. It's quite a farcical relationship.

Apparently other states are administered by basic law, and then the Board(s) govern by rule(s), and it is much more efficient, better laid out, and easier to administer?

 
Posted : 22/02/2023 10:29 am
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@native1 

Well, I suggest you change your approach from, how do I "...bypass educational requirements", to "I have attained the minimum requirements by law to be elligible for MI survey licensing" and make that case clearly and concisely.

Also, there may be very few (maybe zero) jurisdictions that allow pure reciprocity/comity for different jurisdictional survey licensing. Knowing the laws for each respective jurisdiction is a key factor for licensing, just like the conversation now about MI.

There used to be a sequence to follow for MI PS licensing, but I think you should be able to take any of the NCEES exams at any time, and I think the State portion will be restricted now.

To obtain a MI PS license, you will be required to provide proof of completing an ABET accredited surveying degree at the bachelor level or higher; this is no waiver of this requirement.

I've presented you both the law and the rules, as put forth by this state. The state is "toeing the company line". They will always do this, even if they happen to be incorrect.

Plus, you have to understand that they have lots of "first line" people to deal with "customer service".

 

If you do what everyone else does, you will get the same or similar results as everyone else.

If you take the unorthodox route, you need to be willing to do things that everyone else does not do. Then you will get different/unorthodox results.

 
Posted : 22/02/2023 10:49 am
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@michigan-left 

I understand some of what you’re saying..

I’m green with this process. 

I am the type to just “try it - see what happens” There’s rules in place, but there are also exceptions to them when a human is in charge. 

So I’ll have to study up on what you posted for me and maybe make a phone call instead of email. 

Trying to set myself up for a few years ahead of now. Don’t want to waste time not getting the bachelors if that’s just what’s needed for MI Ps exam in the end.
Also don’t want to waste time and $$ getting that bachelors if it’s ultimately
not “needed” to sit for the MI Ps exam.

That may sound bad and short sighted, but college classes don’t prove much of anything  in my opinion. That’s what the exams were for, or so I thought 

 

 
Posted : 22/02/2023 11:23 am
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