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(@peter-lothian)
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Mass. registry of deeds require a minumum 3/4" margin around the sheet, no text, no linework. Our borders are offset 3/4" from each paper sizes edge.

 
Posted : 09/02/2023 9:16 am
(@larry-best)
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Norman's ROS drawings do look good, but a border tells you that you have the entire drawing, not just a piece of it.?ÿ

 
Posted : 09/02/2023 10:13 am
(@norman-oklahoma)
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it's still best practices to keep content away from the actual paper edges because there aren't that many printers that can/will go all the way to the edge.

I should note that in my examples there is a border in the .dwg - it's layer is set to "no plot". The County Surveyor requires that there be a margin of 1/2" all around on surveys and a full 1" on subdivision plats.?ÿ

 
Posted : 09/02/2023 12:30 pm
(@murphy)
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@norman-oklahoma?ÿ

Thanks for sharing the plats.?ÿ I love the narrative, particularly the procedure and monument table.?ÿ I've?ÿ considered providing something similar but it's such a departure from the normal in NC that I chicken out.?ÿ I will, however, copy your monument table even if it loses me a seat at the cool PLS table (the one with the brass spittoon and glass ashtray).

Most PLSs I speak with in NC will roll there eyes if you even mention wanting to describe a monument in greater detail than, "EIP".?ÿ I've had drafters get cursing-mad just because I asked them to label the pipe diameter.

 
Posted : 10/02/2023 5:09 am
(@michigan-left)
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Those examples do look nice. Clear, concise, and easy to read.

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the cool PLS table (the one with the brass spittoon and glass ashtray)

These sound like the people that won't retire, and refuse to die.

Bad habits and stubborness appear to steel one's resolve to inflict pain.

 
Posted : 10/02/2023 5:45 am
GaryG
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I know borders were required by reviewing agencies at specifc offests and vary by county or town. I like the thought that borders tell you you have the whole drawing. I think of borders as the frame on a work of art.?ÿ

 
Posted : 10/02/2023 6:34 am
(@jim-frame)
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In California, all Records of Survey, Parcel Maps and Final Maps are required by law to have "a marginal line . . . drawn completely around each sheet, leaving an entirely blank margin of one inch."?ÿ I carried that convention over to my standard 22x34 sheet as well.

 
Posted : 10/02/2023 7:43 am
(@norman-oklahoma)
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I love the narrative, particularly the procedure and monument table.?ÿ

The procedure part of the narrative is required by Oregon state law, as is a full list of reference documents used and a full description of monuments found and set.?ÿ The monument table format is something I borrowed from another area surveyor.?ÿ

 
Posted : 10/02/2023 8:10 am
(@john-putnam)
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@norman-oklahoma?ÿ

Monument tables are the way to go.?ÿ I've set up C3D user defined property classifications to include meta data referencing fallings (if needed) and original recording info in addition to the monument description.?ÿ I can then use that information to quickly create a monument table.?ÿ The only problem is getting C3D to keep the user defined data while copying points from drawing to drawing, it does not in v 2021.

 
Posted : 12/02/2023 10:01 am
(@toeknee)
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I can't think why anybody would be messing with photographing paper sheets when a pdf copy can be downloaded from a public source for free.

i work in two countries that charge $5 a document to download a PDF.   They happily take a credit card number.  

 

 

 
Posted : 17/02/2023 7:37 pm
(@john-putnam)
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I can't think why anybody would be messing with photographing paper sheets when a pdf copy can be downloaded from a public source for free.

i work in two countries that charge $5 a document to download a PDF.   They happily take a credit card number.  

 

 

 So it is cheaper to go to their office and the take a photo and download them, for an inferior product? 

Back in the days of lore, before scanned documents, you had to pay for hard copies to take back to the office.  Just add the research cost to your proposal and bill it (or just suck it up as a cost of business).

 

 
Posted : 18/02/2023 7:08 am
(@norman-oklahoma)
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i work in two countries that charge $5 a document to download a PDF.

That's pretty rough. But most would be money ahead to pay it, once travel time and expenses are considered. Nevertheless, I would not let that influence my decision to have a border on my drawings, or not. 

 
Posted : 18/02/2023 4:33 pm
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