JAVAD Triumph-2 iphone app

I'm almost certain it's not ready yet. Neither are the upgraded Triumph 1 receivers (the ones with the Tri-2 chip) or the Triumph 2 base/rover system with the VictorLS data collector. Also the demo units have not yet shipped.

I don't fault him for not sending things out until they are right, that is one of his more virtuous qualities. I spoke with a Javad dealer that toured the San Jose facility and he said that every single product gets QA/QC inspected before being shipped.

BUT, Javad needs to rethink the timing of his announcements and fanfare. Things should be available to buy at the height of the buzz created, not a few months after.

This might be a surprise: I (and two other compatriots) may be the first people to run an OPUS-RS report from the Triumph-2 receiver.

I saw several (at least 30) last week and even played with one overnight. I think that the firmware was beta, however I had no problems collecting a static file in the parking lot of the hotel.

• The size is amazingly small.
• The TR2 runs for 25 to 30 hours on a charge.
• There is a button on the side to start a static occupation.
• There is a regular barrel connector for charging.
• There is a mini-USB connector for connecting to a computer.
• The USB port emulates a serial driver, which my Win8.1-64-bit machine found on it's own.
• The receiver has 2-GB of internal memory.
• The receiver has a 1/4 20 hole on the bottom, J has a small adapter that converts it to 5/8"-11 TPI. The 1/4-20 may seem small, but the receiver is so small that it makes sense.
• The receiver also has WiFi in it, but I did not play with it.

I used Javad's Net Veiw to download file we collected via the internal Bluetooth.

The antenna has been calibrated by the NGS, but it was not in the OPUS list when I submitted last week.

The proof is in the dirt (I have been told.) Here is the OPUS-RS report I got back the next morning:

FILE: 54210770.14o OP1395281608663

NGS OPUS-RS SOLUTION REPORT
========================

All computed coordinate accuracies are listed as 1-sigma RMS values.
For additional information: http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/OPUS/about.jsp#accuracy

USER: ms.igage@gmail.com DATE: March 20, 2014
RINEX FILE: log0078e.14o TIME: 13:09:04 UTC

SOFTWARE: rsgps 1.37 RS50.prl 1.91 START: 2014/03/19 04:15:17
EPHEMERIS: igu17843.eph [ultra-rapid] STOP: 2014/03/19 04:35:51
NAV FILE: brdc0780.14n OBS USED: 2304 / 2538 : 91%
ANT NAME: NONE QUALITY IND. 34.72/ 19.31
ARP HEIGHT: 0.0001 NORMALIZED RMS: 0.310

REF FRAME: NAD_83(2011)(EPOCH:2010.0000) IGS08 (EPOCH:2014.21146)

X: -2683636.307(m) 0.008(m) -2683637.189(m) 0.008(m)
Y: -4307541.563(m) 0.012(m) -4307540.196(m) 0.012(m)
Z: 3850147.651(m) 0.012(m) 3850147.667(m) 0.012(m)

LAT: 37 22 14.16687 0.006(m) 37 22 14.18094 0.006(m)
E LON: 238 4 36.22980 0.004(m) 238 4 36.17000 0.004(m)
W LON: 121 55 23.77020 0.004(m) 121 55 23.83000 0.004(m)
EL HGT: -21.348(m) 0.018(m) -21.890(m) 0.018(m)
ORTHO HGT: 11.306(m) 0.028(m) [NAVD88 (Computed using GEOID12A)]

UTM COORDINATES STATE PLANE COORDINATES
UTM (Zone 10) SPC (0403 CA 3)
Northing (Y) [meters] 4136529.502 597578.676
Easting (X) [meters] 595337.769 1873940.934
Convergence [degrees] 0.65359034 -0.87137119
Point Scale 0.99971196 0.99995109
Combined Factor 0.99971531 0.99995444

US NATIONAL GRID DESIGNATOR: 10SEG9533736529(NAD 83)

BASE STATIONS USED
PID DESIGNATION LATITUDE LONGITUDE DISTANCE(m)
DH9021 P222 COYOTHILLSCN2004 CORS ARP N373221.249 W1220459.698 23466.1
DO2391 WINT WINT_BARD_CN1991 CORS ARP N373909.505 W1220825.994 36727.2
DH9024 P225 CULLCANYONCN2005 CORS ARP N374249.904 W1220329.928 39923.8
DN7577 P277 PIGEONPT__CN2007 CORS ARP N371132.527 W1222200.726 44033.0
DH3882 P230 MORGANTRTYCN2005 CORS ARP N374908.258 W1214710.986 51216.8
DH3879 P224 SIBLEYVOLCCN2005 CORS ARP N375150.014 W1221308.563 60661.6
DI7526 P210 ELKHRNSLGHCN2005 CORS ARP N364858.082 W1214354.579 63844.4
DN7569 P256 FALLMANPRPCN2005 CORS ARP N375555.058 W1213617.369 68348.6
DI1085 P181 MILLERKNOXCN2005 CORS ARP N375452.349 W1222236.267 72432.5

NEAREST NGS PUBLISHED CONTROL POINT
HS2901 GOLF CAHD N372225. W1215505. 570.1

This position and the above vector components were computed without any knowledge by the National Geodetic Survey regarding the equipment or field operating procedures used.

Thanks for the reply Mark.

Do you know if JAVAD and Carlson will continue their cooperation with the Triumph 2?

I really want to know if Carlson SurvCE will support the Triumph 2?

If I only did GPS work (read, didn't use a total station) the JAVAD data collector would probably work fine, but one job/data/crd file would be preferable. Any insight you might offer would be great.

Thanks again for the reply.

I believe that the Tr2 is currently compatible with any version of SurvCE that will drive a Triumph 1. However, I have not personally verified this.

I have to say the Tr2 with Carlson would probably make one heck of a nice network rover. Optioned up to L1L2-G1G2 RTK Rover $3,500, plus a LT30 with SurvCE GNSS $1,750 and a 2-meter pole and you have a $5,250 network rover. (Wow!)

Above I forgot to mention that the Tr2 has tilt and compass too.

Shawn Billings and I talked about this the other day. (Hopefully he will break in here...) We think that the Tr2 may be the product of the year. Of course, I would like to reserve my final judgement until after I run a bunch of static, check it for rotational phase center changes and play with it under cover. I personally am a bit freaked out by small antenna.

The details bite you when you want to get corrections via radio, but J has a UHF radio module, with an internal battery and Bluetooth. I believe that it would be possible, to use the J radio in a backpack, connected to the Tr2.

Also, it is my understanding that total station drivers are in the works for the Triumph LS. Dr. Ashjae has a huge coding team, and they work all night (really!) It may be just around the corner.

Thanks Mark. That is what I was hoping to hear.

If all of the features of this unit work as advertised JAVAD will take a huge bite out of the network rover market!

Not much I can add to what Mark has said. The nomenclature in all of these products is kind of confusing, but I'll take a stab at this. The Triumph 2 board is the same as the original Triumph 1 board. So the Triumph 2 is a Triumph 1 in reality (in a smaller package, with no internal radio) while the new Triumph 1 has the new Triumph 2 chip (864 channels). Starting to sound like an Abbott and Costello skit yet? The upside is that, in theory, a data collector with the Triumph 1 (old) driver should be able to run a Triumph 2 receiver - at least in RTN mode. According to Javad's representatives, the GREIS commands for all Javad receivers is still available (and a quick check of the website shows that the latest revision is Jan 2014). This would suggest that any data collector manufacturer should be able to drive any receiver they wish. With the Triumph 2 receiver having no internal radio (as Mark said, it is equipped with Bluetooth and WiFi), an external radio would need to be used for over-the-air communications in base or rover, and the data collector would need to be able to daisy-chain through the Triumph 2 to the radio to control it. This isn't too big of a deal, I think, because controlling an external radio with the original Triumph 1 had to be done through daisy-chain. So it's not unprecedented. The idea of an RTN Tr2/LT30 is intriguing given that the combined weight of an LT-30 and Triumph 2 is only 2lbs!

As for the iPhone app. I've seen a demonstration of it. It's slick. The ad doesn't give much detail, but the app is used to set up static observations, stop and go, and download and submit files to OPUS S/RS and other similar services. From what I've heard the android version is close to being ready. I hope to be able to review them soon. This could have great implications for large static campaigns. A surveyor could send out a group of college kids with 30 minutes of training to occupy a massive amount of monuments armed only with a cell phone. The student uses the phone (or tablet) to set up the occupation, take pictures of the sight, and then download and submit the data to OPUS projects for the surveyor to oversee the actual processing and adjustment. Because the package is so small, the student could even do this from a small car, heck even a scooter.

I want to get a KLR 650, with a small trailer, to set the base, and other basic supplies in.

That would be interesting.

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So am I taking away from this that the T-1 (upgraded) has the same tracking capabilities as the new LS, in a more traditional package including the batteries and radio?

That sounds like a more traditional setup for RTK and with all the latest and greatest features. I agree, and the receivers should probably have been renames to reflect their new capabilities.

Is the LT-30 you're referring to the Sony Xperia or a DC made by Javad (or someone else)?

I think it is a CHC data collector.

> So am I taking away from this that the T-1 (upgraded) has the same tracking capabilities as the new LS, in a more traditional package including the batteries and radio?

Yes

> That sounds like a more traditional setup for RTK and with all the latest and greatest features. I agree, and the receivers should probably have been renames to reflect their new capabilities.

There's a method to the madness. The reason for keeping the name the same for the Triumph 1 (in spite of the improved chips) has to do with antenna calibration naming conventions.

Any idea when the Triumph 2 antenna will be listed on the NGS OPUS website?

I'm friends with Mark, but (other than the beer he bought me last week) I have no financial arrangement with him, so hopefully it's cool for me to link his webpage regarding the LT-30.

LT-30 Data Collector Link

Any day now I'm told.

> LT-30 Data Collector Link

I have an LT30 running MicroSurvey FieldGenius at work. I like much more than my own Getac 236 - the screen is a much nicer display in my opinion. I really like using the internal GPS for navigating or picking up approx locations. It also has camera but I don't use it much (Iphone is easier). If you're used to a big DC with lots of buttons, you might not like the LT30... there are only 4 buttons... one is the power on/off switch, the other is the camera on/off switch.
My only problem with it is that sometimes the little windows keyboard that pops up blocks the function keys under it and I've found no way to get rid of that keyboard. As shown in this picture from the other day when I was trying to connect to wifi in the office, at the bottom part of the screen where that white space is should be Windows prompts like "BACK" or "CANCEL" or "NEXT" or "CONNECT" and the little keyboard icon in the center. None of that is accessible in this screen. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. When it doesn't, I pull the battery and start over. I also like the unit for it size... it fits into a vest pocket!! unlike the Allegro I had before it.

Hello from Greece, this is my first post to your forum. I just found it, super!

I currently use promark 3 units for PPK and static jobs using Gnss Solutions Software for the solution of the vectors

I have the RTK option enabled but it doesnt work well, so I prefer post process.

I know I m seriously dated...

Anyway, I m thinking its time to buy new equipment and I m into low cost category, I hope those new Triumph-2 could work for me.

Now related to the previous post, I uderstood that no internal radio is apparent on the unit itself, so the data collector has to recieve the UHF corrections from the base, send them to Rover unit via Bluetooth, then Rover sould solve the vector and send back the solution and finally the collector display / store etc the RTK solution.

So we need Data Collectors to be able to recieve UHF and control the rover unit via BT..

I read the specs of the LT30 Data Collector, but I cant see the UHF recieving option?

DId I misunderstood something? I m not aware of Data collectors with built in radio reciever

Ultimatelly I m asking if any other than Victor LS option is available so to have a RTK base rover setup with a pair of Triumph 2 units.

Thank you

I am not really sure of the answer you are looking for...

I will give you part of the answer you are looking for... I think.

Generally, RTK has a data path, from the Sats, to the Sat antennae, and to the GPS receiver, processed into corrections, then to the radio, either internal, or external, then over the radio link to the rover, which then COMBINES both signals, from the sats to the ROVER GPS antennae, then to the ROVER GPS, where the 2 signals from the BASE and the signals from the ROVER antennae are combined, then it is sent to the data collector.
Welcome to the forum. The above is a hillbilly view of "What's happening" Could be a little off in one or so of the specifics, but it is generally correct. So, I think modern javad product would do alot, if the radio range was adequate. What kind of distances do you need, from BASE to ROVER?

Nate

> Welcome to the forum. The above is a hillbilly view of "What's happening" Could be a little off in one or so of the specifics, but it is generally correct. So, I think modern javad product would do alot, if the radio range was adequate. What kind of distances do you need, from BASE to ROVER?
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> Nate

Thank you,

My PPK vectors may be at 500meters, STATIC vectors could be less than 5 km () The reason moving from PPK to RTK method is that I want to see in real time in the field if something is wrong. You see yesterday I did a boundary survey, but boundaries were close to tall trees, at a time my rover unit recieved only 6 sats... How do I know I ll get fixed vectors???

As for the RTK talk, we are saying the same thing... The question is what other way of communication is between the Triumph 2 units? Do we absolutely need the specific Victor LS data collector with radio modem, or we could use another data collector with built in radio modem???

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> Thank you,
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> My PPK vectors may be at 500meters, STATIC vectors could be less than 5 km () The reason moving from PPK to RTK method is that I want to see in real time in the field if something is wrong. You see yesterday I did a boundary survey, but boundaries were close to tall trees, at a time my rover unit recieved only 6 sats... How do I know I ll get fixed vectors???
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> As for the RTK talk, we are saying the same thing... The question is what other way of communication is between the Triumph 2 units? Do we absolutely need the specific Victor LS data collector with radio modem, or we could use another data collector with built in radio modem???

500 meters is no problem for rtk. I sometimes get 2 miles, at low power. I have gotten 7 miles, at 35 watts.

Triumph 2 units? Thats those new little ones.

http://javad.com/jgnss/javad/news/pr20140128.html

The way I do the math, You will have to spend 7100, + shipping, + a CARLSON data collector, (Better confirm that the Carlson dc will work with the Triumph 2) and of course, you will need the basic stuff, like base tripod, with device to elevate the radio, and if the Carlson DC will run it, you will be at someplace around 10,000-12,000 to have it all working. Get Glonass. When you work in obstructed areas, I always build a check into the shot. Even if you loose lock, and move over 10', and compass and tape to check that the shot does not contain a bad init. , (to do this right, you have to change the multi-path environment). If you were near a building, and all you did was move 10', your multi path may not have changed enough.

Javad would be a top of the world player, if he had a little better marketing. His technology is sound. So, he is right now at the low end of the price spectrum. I have never used anything but Javad Products. I started with LOCUS units, then a Legacy E setup. I have used the Topcon unit, that is all in one.... Radio range is not as good as the Legacy E system.

Nate