Activity Feed › Discussion Forums › Strictly Surveying › What are differences between PLSS and non-PLSS systems?
What are differences between PLSS and non-PLSS systems?
nate-the-surveyor replied 6 years, 8 months ago 42 Members · 238 Replies
Jim in AZ, post: 441306, member: 249 wrote: You know Scott, its oozing out your ears now..
You can tell the difference between Texans and other folks by looking at their boots. Everybody else has the horse crap on the outside of their boots.
It is sad that an academic question from our friend Conrad has turned into a debate.
This thread speaks volumes on the future of the surveying profession.
Clearly, some professionals can’t pull their head out of their posterior long enough to answer a simple question without stroking their own ego.
I think most of the PLSS Surveyors suffer from PLSS Easy Pleasy denial. Its where they just cannot expect the proved fact that the PLSS was designed to be an easier system than Metes and Bounds. Then someone decided maybe this easy system of squares is to hard for some of these PLSS Surveyors, we better just write a book with step by step instructions on how to Survey squares. Now some PLSS Surveyors will pound their keyboard and write hey our system is harder we have to use Metes and Bounds, and nothing here is square. Well how can you make any argument saying PLSS is more difficult to Survey because every few months you have to read a Metes and Bounds, based off the established Grid. When Metes and Bounds Surveyors read and write Metes and Bounds every day.
Then again I can see how a PLSS Surveyor would think the PLSS is extremely difficult since it seems no PLSS Surveyor has been able to survey a square square since 1785.
PLSS is playing checkers, while Metes and Bounds are playing Chess.
RADAR, post: 441181, member: 413 wrote: noun
noun: access; plural noun: accesses- 1.
a means of approaching or entering a place.
“the staircase gives access to the top floor”
synonyms: entrance, entry, way in, means of entry; More- the right or opportunity to use or benefit from something.
“do you have access to a computer?”
synonyms: (the) use of, permission to use/visit
“students have access to a photocopier”
- the right or opportunity to approach or see someone.
“we were denied access to our grandson”
synonyms: admission, admittance, entry, entr??e, ingress, right of entry
“they were denied access to the stadium”
- the action or process of obtaining or retrieving information stored in a computer’s memory.
“this prevents unauthorized access or inadvertent deletion of the file”
- denoting noncommercial broadcasting produced by local independent groups, rather than by professionals.
modifier noun: access
“public-access television“
- the right or opportunity to use or benefit from something.
- 2.
an attack or outburst of an emotion.
“I was suddenly overcome with an access of rage”
Access as we use the term includes ingress and egress.
Ingress, Latin ingressus, from the verb ingredior.
Egress, Latin egressus, going out, from the verb egredi.
Paul in PA
- 1.
Kevin Samuel, post: 441348, member: 96 wrote: It is sad that an academic question from our friend Conrad has turned into a debate.
This thread speaks volumes on the future of the surveying profession.
Clearly, some professionals can’t pull their head out of their posterior long enough to answer a simple question without stroking their own ego.
I disagree, and not just to be contrarian. This is not a land surveying professional society charged with promoting the profession of land surveying; it is a surveyors’ forum with a very diverse group of contributors. At times the rhetoric can get a bit screechy, but that is human nature. There are many good posts in this thread that directly answered Conrad’s question. Conrad also got a good sampling of the snark that drives certain posters’ off-the-cuff opinions in other threads. Those opinions may be what nudged him to ask his question.
After 7 years of being a member here, you probably have a good idea of the posters whose opinions you respect and read. Others, not so much. And, of course there is the “Ignore” button for those posters that others find irksome.
Ignore button?
I do that with grey matter, mostlyIn the defense of PLSS, I’m surprised no one has brought up this concept of establishment as a major complexity and grey area that has to be dealt with. Eapls gives good explanation in this thread below. Seems to me anytime you are surveying an aliquot part and there is something there on the ground, being fencing or a monument or whatever, there is a built in conflict with this position and the “by the book” position as they’re never going to be exactly the same so a determination has to be made of which one you go with. I still don’t understand exactly how you guys determine that establishment has or hasn’t taken place. Whether someone 150 years ago acted in “good faith”? who the heck knows? PLSS is too complicated and fuzzy, I’m sticking w/ metes and bounds, ranchos and subdivisions.
https://surveyorconnect.com/community/threads/section-division-on-existing-fences.330985/Yes, Evan is one of the posters here whose opinions I respect and read.
Scott Ellis, post: 441422, member: 7154 wrote: I think most of the PLSS Surveyors suffer from PLSS Easy Pleasy denial. Its where they just cannot expect the proved fact that the PLSS was designed to be an easier system than Metes and Bounds. Then someone decided maybe this easy system of squares is to hard for some of these PLSS Surveyors, we better just write a book with step by step instructions on how to Survey squares. Now some PLSS Surveyors will pound their keyboard and write hey our system is harder we have to use Metes and Bounds, and nothing here is square. Well how can you make any argument saying PLSS is more difficult to Survey because every few months you have to read a Metes and Bounds, based off the established Grid. When Metes and Bounds Surveyors read and write Metes and Bounds every day.
Then again I can see how a PLSS Surveyor would think the PLSS is extremely difficult since it seems no PLSS Surveyor has been able to survey a square square since 1785.
PLSS is playing checkers, while Metes and Bounds are playing Chess.
Scott,
Can you clarify why it is so important to you that one system is “harder” than the other? I’m pretty sure that some surveys in each are a piece of cake, while others are a nightmare. What difference does it make?^don’t feed the troll^
Jim in AZ, post: 441561, member: 249 wrote: Scott,
Can you clarify why it is so important to you that one system is “harder” than the other? I’m pretty sure that some surveys in each are a piece of cake, while others are a nightmare. What difference does it make?Texans are surrounded by PLSS. It’s either go to sea, to mexico, or fight back.
Holy Cow, post: 440746, member: 50 wrote: The so-called cookbook is little more than a general guide once Federal interest is out of the picture.
It’s only a guide when there still is federal interest. The only cookbook part of it is the original survey chapter.
paden cash, post: 440949, member: 20 wrote: For those that feel the need one can stop by the Jacob-Hands WWTP in Las Cruces NM and relieve themselves at the public restroom in the lobby. You can then run through the citrus grove about 400 yards to the west and watch your addition to the 3.3 mg per annum of effluent that actually makes up most of the Rio Bravo Del Norte as it spills into the river headed for Texas.
A most satisfying box to check off your bucket list if you’re a surveyor from any PLSS state. 😉
The plant is on the NW corner of I-10 and NM Route 292 I believe.
No citrus groves in Las Cruses. Too cold in the winter.
aliquot, post: 441702, member: 2486 wrote: No citrus groves in Las Cruses. Too cold in the winter.
OK. Maybe it’s a manzana orchard…..;)
I want nothing to do with this debate; however, I would like to point out that all this talk about squares is mistaken. There should be no squares in the PLSS. Unlike most modern surveyors the GLO and BLM surveyors were/are not members of the flat earth scocity.
Jim in AZ, post: 441561, member: 249 wrote: Scott,
Can you clarify why it is so important to you that one system is “harder” than the other? I’m pretty sure that some surveys in each are a piece of cake, while others are a nightmare. What difference does it make?Jim,
It makes no differences to me which system is more difficult. I just find it humorous that PLSS Surveyors get their rods all bent out of shape, and start sticking out their chest anytime anyone points out the fact they the PLSS is and was designed to be easier than Metes and Bounds States.
I was going to Start a flat earth society. For surveyors. But, ONE surveyor disagreed with my origin point. (he was a mm off).
O well!
Log in to reply.