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Baha’i surveying
Actually, the most interesting bit of information to me was that Richard was a practitioner of the Baha’i faith. I think any view of his philosophy of surveying (and that is what his ideas are probably best described as: a philosophy) would have to consider how they dovetail with the views of the Baha’i.
I agree Perry.
Baha’i surveying – Hell hath no boundary
As a further footnote, evidently in the Baha’i conception, Heaven and Hell are not distinct places so there are no fences or walls between them. In the afterlife, one’s soul ends up on a continuum somewhere in between, so it would take expert measuring to determine his place there. :>
Baha’i surveying – Hell hath no boundary
So, when Mr. McGillis passes away, I remember you chiding a poster for disrespect of the dead, yet here you are, on a soapbox speaking ill of the dead.
At what point does shame kick in for you?
Baha’i surveying – Hell hath no boundary
> yet here you are, on a soapbox speaking ill of the dead.
Uh, no. To point out that someone like Richard who spent his professional career preoccupied with fences and ways to make land boundaries fit fences simultaneously anticipated an afterlife in which there were absolutely no boundaries, merely distances between opposing states, is to note something profound about one-sided belief. It also is more than a little amusing.
I think the one thing I learned from reading Richards posts, and it’s a fundamental thing, if the occupation and the description don’t agree, as a surveyor, its your job to figure out why. He reminds me a lot of Jeff Lucas, maybe if you yell the message loud enough, people will start to listen.
Baha’i surveying – Hell hath no boundary
I suppose what I was attempting to say was that, while you may not have agreed with him, there is no reason to speak ill of him after his death (wait, that is what I said). So, I’ll ask again, at what point does shame kick in?
Baha’i surveying – Hell hath no boundary
> at what point does shame kick in?
Presumably at some point well beyond reading comprehension if you failed to understand what I just posted?
Baha’i surveying – Hell hath no boundary
I guess there is a subtle line between pointing something out, and being an a$$ about it.
> (after deleting Kent’s posts of course)
:good: X 1 million
Baha’i surveying – Hell hath no boundary
Are you thinking that Richard’s spirit is hanging around reading this message board? He left this world about a month and a half ago and according to the beliefs he apparently held when he was alive, his soul is now positioned exactly at some DISTANCES from Heaven and Hell according to the RECORD of his life. I’m sorry if the rich irony of that is lost on you. :>
Baha’i surveying – Hell hath no boundary
No, but I guess that your sense of decency is on the fritz again though.
can we please un-pin this
thread…
Baha’i surveying – Hell hath no boundary
> No, but I guess that your sense of decency is on the fritz again though.
Well, that presupposes that Richard’s spirit is somehow around to care. If you accept his beliefs, it isn’t.
The nature of surveying is that we deal with the dead every day. At least those of us who resurvey old boundaries following the work of long-dead surveyors do. We know who did a good job and who should have pursued another occupation. If you aren’t surveying with some future time in mind when you yourself are dead, you aren’t really engaging the problem.
Hell hath no fury like a narcissist scorned
My goodness Kent, you’ve been a busy boy today. It’s obvious that you are experiencing confusion and angst over Richard’s death and are acting out. This torment no doubt stems from some long ago denigration, either real or imagined, that you suffered in a discussion with Richard.
As is typical of your “disorder” as explained by the Mayo Clinic:
>Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance and a deep need for admiration. They believe that they’re superior to others and have little regard for other people’s feelings. But behind this mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem, vulnerable to the slightest criticism.
(emphasis added)
[sarcasm]We really know that you are struggling with this and we all support you.[/sarcasm]
>Narcissistic personality disorder is one of several types of personality disorders. Personality disorders are conditions in which people have traits that cause them to feel and behave in socially distressing ways, limiting their ability to function in relationships and in other areas of their life, such as work or school. In particular, narcissistic personality disorder is characterized by dramatic, emotional behavior, in the same category as histrionic, antisocial and borderline personality disorders. Narcissistic personality disorder treatment is centered around psychotherapy.
Rest in Peace Brother Schaut.
Dan B. Robison
Expert Measurement in the Afterlife
> It’s obvious that you are experiencing confusion and angst over Richard’s death …
LOL! Uh, no. If you don’t see the rich irony in a vision of the afterlife in which the soul ends up at some precise distance from the opposite poles of Heaven and Hell, with no boundaries between them, and that distance is to be determined from the record of one’s life, then I can’t help you, I’m afraid.
Sad news indeed.
About a year before the POB forum self destructed, Richard seemed to have made a noticeable effort to engage in less name calling. He didn’t back off from his opinions or being assertive about them, but I did notice less hostility.
It was at the beginning of a year, so it might have been a new year’s resolution for him. I recall that in one particular thread, he was adamantly disagreeing with someone (yeah I know, that happened in every thread he contributed to), but I had not seen a personal attack from him through several lengthy replies. A few other members began baiting him in that thread and he finally tossed out a couple of “dippy idiots” to satisfy his hecklers before the thread had run its course.
I have no idea if anyone else had noticed his change in online decorum. Given the passion with which he argued his points, the difference probably seemed slight or went unnoticed by many, but I bet it took a constant effort on Richard’s part to scale back or remove the personal insults from his posts. After a few weeks, I sent an email expressing my appreciation for the change.
After that point, I found that I didn’t disagree with Richard about every thing. In fact, I probably agreed with him on 20% or 30% of the issues he posted on.
On the other 70% or 80%, I at least began to recognize where he was coming from, which helped me to consider answers to arguments one might make along the same logic, and how to articulate those answers to address the logic rather than the rhetoric of those arguments.
The forum hasn’t been the same without him.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to get back to work correcting this deed description.
Reminds me of a turkey hunting video I saw once:
Three toms are walking down a dirt road together, picking at bugs and thinking about the next hen. The hunter takes aim at the biggest bird and fires. Immediately upon killing the largest tom, the other two birds pounce on the dead tom and rip apart their stricken adversary.
Very good Target! Someone out there won’t get it.
Evidently respect is something one needs to learn.
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