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Monuments in CO- How to deal with From True Corner
gromatici replied 4 years, 5 months ago 12 Members · 22 Replies
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Well Steve, I may be mistaken about the statue. I appears that this is simply a practice from Santa Barbara down to Los Angeles. They do lot’s of weird stuff beside this……. 😉 If you do a Parcel Map or Final Map in the County of Santa Barbara, the County Surveyor won’t let you record that map until you remove the angle points created by monuments that don’t fit the exact width. I agree that the long standing practice since Roman times, and English Common Law is to hold the monuments, but because of the way things are done here is CA you may find yourself “calling-off” monuments because they don’t fit perfectly with the center line monuments. I’ve also seen this practice hundreds of times with Caltrans maps……………it done all the time. CA has a “standard of practice” law, and part of that is complying with local practices. That’s something Curtis Brown discuses also. I know when I surveyed in Los Angeles that any monuments along the right of way were basically ignored. It may not be right, or what they should be doing, but the CITY maintained excellent center-line monumentation. I’ve retrace 1893 subdivisions in Los Angeles and the center-line monuments matched the tract map EXACTLY!
UP in Santa Barbara, it’s a much different situation, and sometimes you have center-line control (or block control) and sometimes it’s a hodgepodge of right of way monuments. Rarely, if ever, do the streets have the same width as on the map.
I did have a conversation with one past County Surveyor here who simply told me not to cross the street or show the other side, thus I’d be able to hold the monuments on my side……………..seems silly but we do what we have to, to move forward sometimes. I think this is another reason why some old-timers simply put measured and record the same if it’s within a tenth or so, reasoning “why muddle the record?” I’m more concerned about the practice in CO, since I’m studying for that.
I have submitted maps where i “created” an angle point in the right-of-way but I had to argue it. Only because an older Parcel Map had it in there, was I able to do that. I find different Counties handle this stuff differently. In one County, I asked what the tolerance whould be for a 20 acres parcel for the requirement of a Record of Survey to be triggered for my measurements. I was told that if I turn in a Corner Record for a 20 acre parcel that showed more than a tenth of a foot different than the record, I would have to do a Record of Survey. As you can imagine, this puts surveyors in my area in a real pickle when it comes to practicing practical land surveying! The record of Surveys in this COunty cost more than $600 and you can add that “low income housing” $75 fee to that now. Things are a little more complicated in real life than what we read in the codes.
Just trying to figure out how things are done in another state so I don’t really want this to turn into a CA thing. In CO you have to set a monument when you establish a corner, so I’m trying to figure out how to deal with that. It sounds like the consensus is to simply accept the monument. However, I’ve seen a lot of pictures from CO surveyor friends of mine of pincushion corners……………. Not good!
In CA, we can do a “paper pincushion” but that doesn’t seem like an option in CO. They don’t like that in ID either. In NV they have written into the Survey Standards that you HAVE TO ACCEPT the monument if it’sis a certain distance from the record corner. There is a chart, and it all depends on if you’re in High Urban, Low Urban, High Rural or Low Rural (I might be mis-quoting the official terms).
The point is, that I want to comply with the way things are done, in the jurisdiction I’m wording in, not apply the procedures I’ve used locally.
If you believe a monuments has been moved, or disturbed, I wonder what the process is (in Colorado)?
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