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Maps that suck…
Doing a survey in a city and looked for other survey maps in the area. Found quite few and was initially happy that they would be of help. Then noticed they are nearly all from the same ??famous? survey company (in the same city) that everyone one knows about.
Each map, though relatively close to each other geographically show many monuments in ??error? this way and that, but no reasoning. They may show one point being ??held? while all the others are wrong by some amount. There is no reference to the basis of the bearings on these maps and it became obvious that they were not even of the same basis.
Now the worst part?? the north arrows are all pointing down the page. Grrr?? This company is just arrogant. I??m sure if asked to explain these surveys they would do so for a fee. The worst map I saw from them was just a bunch of lines with NO monuments shown.
I have been ??accused? of showing too much information on my maps. There should be a law that maps should provide at least enough information so that another surveyor can find the map useful. I provide that service.
Further, if the client knows where their boundaries are when I have completed my work then the job is done. It is clear from conversations with people living in the neighborhood that the ??famous? survey company does not provide that service. In fact, they purposely obfuscate their surveys to make sure they are the only ones with an understanding of the local boundaries.
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Two words, Recording State.
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not my real name: I kinda understand that you are trying to go incognito but do you think that you can maybe throw us a bone and provide us with some basic geographic location of where you are located.
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Board of Registration report for each and every map that doesn’t meet minimum standards in your state. I’d forgive an occasional lapse, but if that’s the pattern …
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Your drawing should show every bit of information that you know about the property.
Not everyone is artistic and that can be overlooked when the drawing show every necessary fact.
Deliver a Professional product to your client.
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The professional procedure would be to contact the firm to clarify any of their work plats where you are finding incomplete data or that you feel are in violation of professional standards.
Like others have stated, knowing a geographic location would be helpful unless you just want to vent anger, gripe or whine and moan. ??
I do know that you should submit any complaint to the BoR as stated by Mr.Bill until you have contacted the firm about their work and followed up on your contact by phone and letter.
From my experience and knowledge, various BoR want you to make the effort to rectify possible errors before they investigate. Believe it or not, they usually have a suspicion of a complainant that hasn’t tried to make the effort to clear matters.
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In a feat requiring great skill and dexterity I learned last week that I recorded a survey without the blasted curve table.
Checklist was checked and the prints were fine but the one I sent in for recording somehow had the curve table missing. What a complete embarrassment and now I am coming out of pocket to correct the thing. Doo Doo happens and all I can do is correct it and move on and await the calls from my peers when the pull my plat and wonder what kind of a moron I am for being so dumb and obviously a Jack Leg surveyor to do such a thing.
Excrement happens on occasion and I would never want to hold another surveyor to a level of perfection that I myself cannot meet. I am loathe to even consider turning in another RLS or PLS and never have because of the simple fact that mistakes do happen.
However I am not so generous when it concerns unlicensed practice and I tend to be like a bulldog on a bone with them. In fact there was a poster the other day on this site who WAS recently facilitating that very thing nearby.
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I am in a colonial state. We do not require recording except for the creation of new lines (subdivision). I do not make subdivisions, but encourage my clients to record the results of their surveys. Most clients like the idea and it only costs them an additional and reasonable recording fee with a little mark-up for my time.
I will be contacting the “famous” survey company. There is one particular record survey that references a city layout that the city engineering department does not have. I am planning to ask them to share a copy with the city.
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I have seen letter-sized sheets slipped into the sleeves holding the recorded drawings.
It all depends upon what is filed, a hard copy or a digital file.
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I wish I could do a sticky back but it is all digital.
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Try talking to them. I recently filed and their scan came out with not enough contrast. They agreed to scan it again. When it was done there was no difference in the recording information, but he old one was gone.
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There are towns here that were laid out according to a design that does not exist anymore and frequently the deeds for these properties are just continously recycled with no survey for the last 100 years or more.
I have checked the local historical societies, town museums, and of course the first and oldest plat books. I have called other surveyors hoping to find some of these old town plats and they just do not exist anymore yet attorneys still refer to Lots 4, 5, 6 and 7 as per the non-existant town plan for such and such towns. And of course I have no idea what the original lot dimensions are.
What I am getting at is this, if your town did not experience complete and utter destruction courtesy of General Sherman then check your local historical societies and museums for the wayward city layouts and you may find them.
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All the original town divisions in my area are based upon drawings that have no dimensions and not all streets are the same width and it does not mention if they were measured in feet, varas or rods.
I rarely do anything within the original townsites.
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“What I am getting at is this, if your town did not experience complete and utter destruction courtesy of General Sherman”
thinking here that if your brethren didnt fire on Ft. Sumter you probably would still have your maps, you pick a fight you live with the results good or bad, just saying
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I may live here as do many of my kin but my ancestors were farming rocks in Calabria Italy as the fighting was taking place so I care not, stupid war.
So there…………and I was using that as a lead in to the OP story about the missing plat. They may be squirreled away in an unlikely place, even another surveyors office.
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Hey now, that doesn’t sound so bad. Record not found, boundary by agreement, new description, boom done.
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