LSIT Openings x2 (Portland, OR)

[Unknown Member]

> Land Survey Party Chief
> Position Requirements:
> •Bachelor Degree in Land Surveying/Geomatics or Land Surveyor in Training (LSIT), required
>

Well I guess that’s one way to raise the bar.

[mhanson]

Keep in mind it’s either/or. Either a BS degree or an LSIT cert. The LSIT is actually preferred in my mind. Either way, let’s see some interest!

Thanks, Matt

[Unknown Member]

Matt,
I like the idea!

[paul-in-pa]

LSIT Or BS Geomatics ?

If someone had a BS in Geomatics and had not passed the LSIT I would not consider hiring him.

Whereas on the other hand, I would hire an LSIT without a degree because it speaks more positively of the ability.

Paul in PA

[Kris Morgan]

Paul

In Texas, one may sit and pass the SIT with only having had the 4 year degree in surveying, no experience required. Would you hire that one?

[Guest]

Can’t believe you haven’t been swamped with applications

[Kris Morgan]

Paul

Which one do you want? We offer multiple flavors of SIT’s here in the great state of Texas.

Sec.A1071.253.AASURVEYOR-IN-TRAINING CERTIFICATE.A (a)AAAn
applicant for a surveyor-in-training certificate must:
(1)AAhave earned a bachelor of science degree in
surveying from an accredited institution of higher education;
(2)AAhave:
(A)AAearned a bachelor ’s degree from an accredited
institution of higher education that included at least 32 semester
hours in a combination of courses acceptable to the board in:
(i)AAcivil engineering;
(ii)AAland surveying;
(iii)AAmathematics;
(iv)AAphotogrammetry;
(v)AAforestry;
(vi)AAland law; or
(vii)AAthe physical sciences; and
(B)AAcompleted at least one year of experience
acceptable to the board in delegated responsible charge as a
subordinate to a registered professional land surveyor actively
engaged in professional surveying;
(3)AAhave:
(A)AAearned an associate degree in surveying from
an accredited institution of higher education; and
(B)AAcompleted at least two years of experience
acceptable to the board in delegated responsible charge as a
subordinate to a registered professional land surveyor actively
engaged in professional surveying;
(4)AAhave:
(A)AAsuccessfully completed a course of
instruction consisting of 32 semester hours in land surveying or
the equivalent number of semester hours in board-approved courses
related to surveying; and
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(B)AAcompleted at least two years of experience
acceptable to the board in delegated responsible charge as a
subordinate to a registered professional land surveyor actively
engaged in professional surveying; or
(5)AAhave:
(A)AAgraduated from an accredited high school;
(B)AAcompleted at least four years of experience
acceptable to the board in delegated responsible charge as a
subordinate to a registered professional land surveyor actively
engaged in professional surveying; and
(C)AAprovided evidence satisfactory to the board
that the applicant is self-educated in professional surveying.
(b)AAOn proof that an applicant has the qualifications
required by Subsection (a), the board shall allow the applicant to
take an examination consisting of parts of the examination under
Section 1071.256, the contents of which are as determined or
approved by the board.
(c)AAThe board shall issue a surveyor-in-training
certificate to an applicant who passes the applicable parts of the
examination taken under Subsection (b).AAThe certificate is valid
for eight years.
Added by Acts 2001, 77th Leg., ch. 1421, Sec. 1, eff. June 1, 2003.
Amended by:
Acts 2007, 80th Leg., R.S., Ch. 53, Sec. 1, eff. May 10, 2007.

[mhanson]

Paul

Thanks for the interest – the position is in Portland and seeking local candidates only, unfortunately. It looks like at this point we’ve identified the proper candidates. Will update everyone if that changes!

Thank you,

Matt Hanson

[paul-in-pa]

The LSIT As Generally Understood

In most state the Fundamentals of Surveying exam can be taken after meeting the educational requirements, a 2 year surveying degree, a 4 year surveying degree or a 4 year engineering degree and a required number of surveying credits. The FS is a test of surveying education. Certain states allow applicants to sit for the FS based on some education plus experience or on experience only. However it is the same exam and is a test of surveying education. It is planned that one’s experience should follow one’s education thus tieing that experience to what one already knows.

I see it as an admission of the shortcomings of one’s education to have a 4 year Geomatics degree and not being able to pass the FS exam.

To be an LSIT varies greatly from state to state, some requiring to specifically apply to be admitted as an LSIT even if one has passed the FS exam in another jurisdiction. Whil other states automatically assume that having passed the FS ones is in fact an LSIT.

For one to apply, get accepted and pass the FS exam absent a degree says to me this individual has done a good job of self education.

As to Texas, not relavent, the state in question is Oregon. In Oregon you may sit for the Fundamentals of Surveying, if:

EAC/ABET-accredited 4-year surveying engineering program
TAC/ABET-accredited 4-year surveying technology program
TAC/ABET-accredited 2-year surveying technology program
Non-accredited 4-year surveying program approved by the board
Non-accredited 2-year surveying technology program approved by the board
Non-accredited 4-year related science program approved by the board

It appears to me the only involvement of the board is for a non ABET degree. In fact there may be non ABET 2 and 4 year programs that are on an approved list and the board may only then be involved if you are from a new, to the Oregon Board, program or a related science program.

Paul in PA

[GEORGIASURVEYOR]

I think requiring a PC to be an LSIT is a good thing.

But I still do not get the wanting someone with a BS. If they have the BS but no LSIT, I would be suspicious as to their abilities. It is possible for someone without a degree to put forth the effort to pass the LSIT. But if someone actually managed to graduate from College without being able to pass the LSIT, well it makes me think poorly of the school. There is no reason for a BS in Geomatics not to have the LSIT. Just drop the BS and require the LSIT across the board.

[stephen-johnson]

A LSIT that is actually qualified, as opposed to “technically qualified”, to be a party chief is probably only about a year from being actually qualified, as opposed to “technically qualified”, to take the second half of the test. The other guy, as described, is probably at least 4-5 years from being actually qualified, as opposed to “technically qualified”, to take the second half of the test.

[Guest]

Is this the Aerotek staffing service? If so I strongly caution any takers that while this is a legitimate staffing service use extreme caution before accepting any of their temporary benefits or ‘add-on’ offers. One of my sons got sucked into purchasing an extremely expensive yet worthless health insurance policy from them while he was a “temp”. They refused to cancel the policy.

CV

[GEORGIASURVEYOR]

No matter where you work, there is only open enrollment once a year. It was your son’s job to decide if he wanted the insurance and if it was worth it. I know the staffing service that we are with that we have been well pleased with their insurance. But I will still like it when I am permanent and have the company policy.

[Guest]

Matt,

Your point is well taken and yes my son should have ensured he knew exactly what he was purchasing. It still frustrates me however that during a rough period for my son, such a lousy policy was even offered (he is a responsible husband and father with 3 cubs). You may note that my post was a cautionary advisement, although I do believe the policy he purchased through the agency was a predatory ploy. I am genuinely pleased to hear that your own experience has been a positive one! I still stand by the cautionary advisement.

CV

[GEORGIASURVEYOR]

Understood. Actually the staffing one is better than the one at my old job. It came with paying a weekly rate and still having to meet $10K before they paid a dime. BTW, I dropped company insurance when that is what they told us at open enrollment. I figured if I put the $100 per week up that by the time the kids needed to go to their doctors office that I would have enough to pay cash. Went to work for staffing co and theirs is like $20 a week and it is copay. I think predatory insurance says more about the intestinal fortitude of the person negotiating with the insurance co. then anything else. Our boss did not like to shop around and would take what they offered so they had no incentive to offer a good policy. To be fair, I could have paid $400 a week and gotten the same coverage we had the year before. But giving up over half my check on insurance seemed like not such a bright idea.