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Haven’t seen this before…
We are surveying our State Forest in Pine Grove. One 40 acre tract was obtained by the State of California by a Patent from the State of California. What happened was the State had an indemnity list (those lands are controlled by the State Lands Commission) and Forestry wanted their parcel so they issued a patent to us which is ourselves. That is not the unusual part, though.
The same patent also describes another 40 acre tract north of Laytonville in Mendocino County; we called it Iron Peak Look-out. I’ve never seen two parcels in the same conveyance 180 miles apart.
So I guess we have to go survey the other part of this Patent and provide a tie. Nick is thinking we have to run the receivers simultaneously so he’ll go there and I’ll go here on the same day and run the session.
Here’s the world famous Land Surveyor generating a tie from Google Earth: N 56?ø23’24” W ~ 955,387.86 feet, ground=955,446.12 feet.
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One of my state patents a listing of a number of parcels separated by up to 16 townships north-south and 10 townships east-west. This is a fed to state patent, basically listing some state lands in three counties. I wondered if that is common in other states.
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In California the GLO issued an Indemnity List which could have tracts all over the State. There was no Patent from the USA, the Indemnity List transferred the Title to the State.
This came about because of fractional townships where there was no Section 16 or 36, the State could make selections in lieu of the missing school lands. I assume the prospective Patentees made the selections but sometimes the tract never got patented out by the State so decades later they were still cleaning that up.
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Take a look at some original Indemnity List’s. They can be huge. Or might look a some original Railroad Grants. Sections scattered from one side of the state to the other. They do keep them sorted by township and range. May be different in other states but in Utah the lists can be big.
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I was referring to the patent…I’ve never seen one for two tracts several counties apart.
Yes RRG’s and indemnity lists are spread all over the place.
I don’t remember, were the RRG’s automatic by Statute?
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That happened many times in Texas as some of those people were being patented thousands of acres for their part in bringing people to Texas and the State had to allocate patents for land where the desired amounts was available.
Given a choice between properties, the Patentee would chose prime sites.
The Texas GLO files will usually contain all the Survey and Patent recordings of each persons properties withing the same folder.
Most downloads are of a dozen pages per Patent, some are dozens of pages and that means more hand written pages to read thru, some in perfect condition and others wore and torn from a hard ride to Austin to get to the GLO.
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Nick is thinking we have to run the receivers simultaneously
For this kind of application I think individual OPUS sessions would be more than adequate. There’s nothing wrong with simultaneous observations if they fit your work schedule, but the level of error in either case isn’t going to matter. No one is going to establish corners on one of the sites by measuring from the other one.
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I was referring to the patent…I’ve never seen one for two tracts several counties apart.
Yes RRG’s and indemnity lists are spread all over the place.
I don’t remember, were the RRG’s automatic by Statute?
A RRG is a patent. Only ones I’ve looked at were for the Transcontinental RR through Utah. Trying to find 3 sections. RR entitled to the land when they completed the RR. Most of it hadn’t been surveyed. Was hard to find. I had to get Loyal to help me. Seems the BLM only indexed the grant in one township. So had to go fish through many until got lucky and it showed up. One wasn’t done until 30 years later. RR had already sold the land mostly before they got the patent. Clean up I suppose.
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Be aware that for a 180 mile tie would be a geodesic line, so A-B will not equal B-A. Or just give the tie to nearest least count number and call it quits.
Paul in PA
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I was referring to the patent…I’ve never seen one for two tracts several counties apart.
Yes RRG’s and indemnity lists are spread all over the place.
I don’t remember, were the RRG’s automatic by Statute?
A RRG is a patent. Only ones I’ve looked at were for the Transcontinental RR through Utah. Trying to find 3 sections. RR entitled to the land when they completed the RR. Most of it hadn’t been surveyed. Was hard to find. I had to get Loyal to help me. Seems the BLM only indexed the grant in one township. So had to go fish through many until got lucky and it showed up. One wasn’t done until 30 years later. RR had already sold the land mostly before they got the patent. Clean up I suppose.
Doctrine of after acquired title applies if the RR used Grant Deeds prior to patent. If they were Quitclaim Deeds then it doesn’t apply although it may be the RR had title either way.
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Nick is thinking we have to run the receivers simultaneously
For this kind of application I think individual OPUS sessions would be more than adequate. There’s nothing wrong with simultaneous observations if they fit your work schedule, but the level of error in either case isn’t going to matter. No one is going to establish corners on one of the sites by measuring from the other one.
For Long Baselines like this, I have occupied both locations simultaneously, with a 3rd base on the NGS point that was as equidistant as possible. Granted we were resolving gravity, and needed the vertical component more than anything else. Neat project!
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