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That is an excellent and clear example of such foolishness.
Remember a deed from many years ago that had clearly been written by the father selling one acre of his 80-acre tract (in PLSSia) to his son to put a house on. It began: Starting at a corner post NEAR the southwest corner of ……………..
That description was written in the 1960’s prior to a slight widening of State highway and the only corner post around when I was there was about 15 feet further north and about 30 feet west of the intended spot and had been in place less than five years. The intended spot, as verified by occupation, would have been on the quarter section line at a distance of 45 feet north from the south quarter corner of the section on the original R/W line of the State highway.
The reason I was called in was because a different firm had completed an Improvement Location Certification stating everything was hunky-dory. My neighbor, an employee of the title insurance company involved, asked me several awkward questions as the buyer was her sister. The title insurance company then hired me to find the true boundaries and to identify any problems that needed to be resolved. I believe there were eight problems in total. This included discovering the septic tank and laterals were on the adjoining property with no document supporting that situation. It also included a case where the County had failed to vacate old County roads that technically still existed outside of the highway R/W and one went through the garage and barely missed the house.
- Posted by: @holy-cow
The title insurance company then hired me to find the true boundaries and to identify any problems that needed to be resolved.
That’s an eyebrow raiser. I’ve never had a Title Insurance company (or for that matter a Bank) hire me to do a survey. Always been owners/developers/prospective buyers. Oh, and government agencies on a contract basis.
I don’t doubt you, just pointing out my experiences.
Thank you for self-controlling your THRAC
Banks and title companies have been strong supporters of my practice over the years. Followed by attorneys and real estate brokers. Many times I have done personal survey projects for those people who work in the banks, title companies, attorney offices and real estate offices because they know to trust my work. In fact, picked up a job this week from a bank VP while I was there to make a deposit.
- Posted by: @holy-cow
Many times I have done personal survey projects for those people who work in the banks, title companies, attorney offices and real estate offices because they know to trust my work.
Well, that’s a horse of a different color. I thought you meant the Title Company or Bank, et. al., hired you to do a survey.
Oh, yes. That is absolutely true. Hundreds of them over the years. They will ding their client (probably at a profit), but the whole deal is on them. They provide the what and the where and the paycheck. My deal is strictly with them, not their client. Add in elevation certificates for banks and the number shoots up considerably. They pay me. They charge the borrowers to get their money back. Many times I have no idea who the buyer is. Doesn’t matter to me. And, checks from banks and title companies have always been good checks. No fuss, no muss.
- Posted by: @350rocketmike
We are in limestone so the 4′ sib’s are reserved for swamps. I have one in my truck. I still find the odd one from before the time they began allowing SSIB’s in case of “insufficient overburden”. Around here half the SSIB’s I try to set end up being a drilled in rock plug.
I try to only set them on farm lot lines/rear corners. More often that not, the dozer just destroys the interior bars when they’re stripping the sub. A buried “shorty” is allowed and if you sink them a foot, has just as good a shot as surviving. Dig out 12″ to 16″ of top soil, approximate the SSIB w/ the sledge, fine tune, sink w/ an upside down SIB, final tie-in (adjust w/ the SIB if needed before the shot), and then cover the hole.
We try to reset the major corners/PC’s & PT’s on streets once things are stripped. If you’re in before the utilities, then you can reset them w/ a proper SIB.
- Posted by: @norman-oklahomaPosted by: @dmyhill
For the sake of this discussion, I was assuming that there was some determination to hold the found rebar.
Just sayin’ that if the math says the monument should be maybe 1/2 foot from your spin hole location who is to say that 1/2 foot from your spin hole location isn’t where is was before it got wacked?
Yep. A disturbed marker has less weight, that is definitely true.
-All thoughts my own, except my typos and when I am wrong. - Posted by: @eagle1215
I usually work I the rural area. Most landowners will not care about 0.1′. I would not turn, bend or modify it because the bend point is accurate. Flag, lath, and move on.
That makes 2 of us. If pipe is vertical near grade and not completely destroyed/loose/moved, I??m happy. Nobody mentioned nail set at base. I always leave a good point for the next guy to shoot, not a wiggly iron.
I’ve probably said this sometime in the past, but there may be new readers now. What at first glance appears to be a bent bar, may not be a bent bar. We recovered two stones this past week where the corner records indicated that an iron bar had been placed at an angle such that the tip of the bar was directly above the center of a stone. This is not a rare occurrence. This is typically a case of the stone being below the surface but not low enough to place a standard bar directly above the center because it would be sticking out of a county gravel road and rip the first rubber tire coming past that spot. Stones that are very shallow in such locations frequently will have two or more bars placed on either side of the stone with their tops being a bit lower than the top of the stone. I have seen as many as eight bars around a stone with stability issues. The important part is to show on the survey and on the corner reports that none of the bars are to be incorrectly accepted as being the true corner. The true corner always has been and shall always be recognized as the center of the erect stone.
DO NOT set a single capped bar adjacent to and significantly higher than the stone. Some jackass will come along, get an iron signal, see that capped rebar and never realize the true corner is several inches away in some direction.
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