This morning I have reserved my free upgrade. Supposedly available July 29 and it will "take care of itself".
Ok, that little phrase kind of scared me a little I have to admit.
I'll be sure to power down the machine the night before and sit here and watch it boot up from scratch to see if it really is going to do it on its on.
Not so much that I mind that. I just want to be sitting here watching it happen.
E.
I am suspicious of MS's intentions of giving out a free upgrade. What's the catch?
Beer Legs, post: 324555, member: 33 wrote: I am suspicious of MS's intentions of giving out a free upgrade. What's the catch?
IMHO, the catch is they are trying to save face after that abysmal thing called 8 (or 8.1) which was an attempt (again IMHO) to make a "1 o/s fits all devices" scenario. I have done some o/s work back in my systems programmer/engineer days and that dog just don't hunt. In my personal experience.
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I think it's combination of things.
- They want to save face from the W8 debacle, as Eric said.
- They want to get as many people moved to W10 as possible.
- They want to make it an easy decision for W7 users.
- They want to regain their marketshare, which has dropped significantly after W8, even if it includes pirates.
- W10 will use an entirely different way of managing updates -- there may never be a W11 because they would just send new "builds" forever.
- I suspect they want to move to a subscription model like Adobe Creative Cloud, Google Apps, Office 365, etc.
Wendell, post: 324563, member: 1 wrote: I think it's combination of things.....
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- I suspect they want to move to a subscription model like Adobe Creative Cloud, Google Apps, Office 365, etc.
That's what I suspect. I don't think it's going to be "free" after all and it's a clever way for them to stick their hands deeper in to your pocket. Win 7 works fine for me right now.
They tried and tried to get rid of XP but it worked well and nobody wanted to get rid of it. They then stated that they couldn't update it anymore and it was too vulnerable. I really didn't buy that explanation, but I was already using Win 7 anyway. They are in the software selling business, and I think that their main goal is to sell you software whether you need it or not...
Actually I think if Windows went open source, they'd make MORE money because more people would use it and thus, they'd get more customers of their other software for Windows.
Wendell, post: 324563, member: 1 wrote: I think it's combination of things.
- They want to save face from the W8 debacle, as Eric said.
- They want to get as many people moved to W10 as possible.
- They want to make it an easy decision for W7 users.
- They want to regain their marketshare, which has dropped significantly after W8, even if it includes pirates.
- W10 will use an entirely different way of managing updates -- there may never be a W11 because they would just send new "builds" forever.
- I suspect they want to move to a subscription model like Adobe Creative Cloud, Google Apps, Office 365, etc.
I agree with all of the above and the last is the hook.
From my June 2 posts:
Dallas Morlan, post: 319865, member: 6020 wrote: > What's up with MS giving out a new platform for free? pros/cons?
> Is this the crack that finally hooks you for life, ha haQuoting from my [msg=319784]post yesterday[/msg] "I'm half expecting Windows to follow the lead of the CAD companies by requiring an annual subscription and refusing to allow saves to earlier versions file formats."
Just adding a little encryption/compression to the file as a "security precaution" that requires a current operating system to open the file. Those running "unsecured" or unregistered operating systems would be unable to open files. The result, subscribe or be cut out of the business community.
Dallas Morlan, post: 319893, member: 6020 wrote: > Such a move would tend to increase the popularity of Linux.
Files created in Linux could be considered "unsecured" and not accepted by those using the secured operating system. Inevitable that would include many government agencies, larger architecture and engineering firms etc. How many of these already require file submissions in "dwg, dgn, doc or xls" format compatible with a specific version of AutoCAD, MicroStation, Word or Excel? As soon as the required software version will only run on a secured operating system what are your options.
As outlandish as this may sound this would likely be an extension of the "[msg=314625]digital signature/certificate[/msg]" technology that has be mentioned here numerous times. The registration number of your operating system would become a key to generate a secure code. The receiving computer would be able to verify the validity of the code by checking with a Microsoft security server. Of course the computer checking the code would also need to be secure to gain access to the security server. If you can't verify the secure code you can not open a secure file.
In short you only have access to your data as long as you subscribe to the MS security plan.
According to my Nephew who claims to be among the 5 top computer experts in the state (he thinks he is anyway), Windows 10 will be available in about a month. From what I have read, if you like windows 7, you will probably like windows 10. The reason for windows 10 is that windows 8 was not liked my too many folks. Everybody in the engineering & surveying fields that I know use windows 7.
Since we are on the subject of operating systems, do we have a choice or is windows the only game in town? Yea, there are other OS's out there but not a lot of software for surveyors. It is said that surveying & engineering is a vertical market, whatever that means.
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GEOMETRIC, post: 325357, member: 8346 wrote: Since we are on the subject of operating systems, do we have a choice or is windows the only game in town? Yea, there are other OS's out there but not a lot of software for surveyors. It is said that surveying & engineering is a vertical market, whatever that means.
Not too much. As I stated in an earlier post, if I was just a guy who needed e-mail, web and basic office software, I would ditch Microsoft and just run some version of Linux, I have previously set up a dual boot with Linux Mint alongside WIN7, seriously, it will do about all you need in the basics and comes already bundled with the basic stuff (OpenOffice, etc.) free, fast and it works.
If there was ever developed enough usable software for Linux for many common apps (not just the surveying and engineering market) I think Microsoft would have reason to be worried... As it is I doubt that will happen, too much code written for the MS OS over the last 30 years, that is seriously why MS has a monopoly, it isn't that it is necessarily the best OS, just the dominant one.
SHG
I've been fortunate because I went from XP Pro to Win7 with no problems so I am hoping Win10 will be the same.
But.... I do have some concerns.
I have tutored HS kids (some homeschooled) in math and one family was on the Vista-Win8 sequence. Every time , I had to access material was a pia plus it made me look and feel incompetent.
I had to bring my laptop translate for lack of a better word the Win8-Vista nightmare.
I just did a quick search & cogosoftware (cogosoftware.com) will run in Briscad. Briscad will run in Windows & I believe Linux. They do offer a trial period, unlike the last software I bought. I won't make that mistake again. It doesn't appear to have the power of Carlson but it seems to do the basics well & looks like a lot easier to use. Anybody know anything about it? The dual boot concept is interesting. Actually, I like PROCOGO. I have had it since day one that it was on the market. I think the Army Corps of Engineers uses it. It will import a graphics file into autocad & in the past it would import it into other cad programs. There are tons of programs written for Briscad that I haven't researched yet but a lot of the descriptions are written in a language I don't understand.
Lots of new builds for W10 rolling out these days... we've had 3 in the last few days, including one this morning. Updating now...
Wendell, post: 325585, member: 1 wrote: Lots of new builds for W10 rolling out these days... we've had 3 in the last few days, including one this morning. Updating now...
So you've been trying it out?
What do you think so far?
GEOMETRIC, post: 325395, member: 8346 wrote: Briscad will run in Windows & I believe Linux. They do offer a trial period, unlike the last software I bought. I won't make that mistake again. It doesn't appear to have the power of Carlson but it seems to do the basics well & looks like a lot easier to use. Anybody know anything about it?
I know that I've been using the standard (not Pro) version for production work since ditching AutoCAD in March. It's fast and stable, the UI is very similar to AutoCAD's, and it has a robust LISP implementation, which is important to me. (The version of IntelliCAD I had tried a year or so ago didn't suit me for that reason.) I'm a happy user.
BigE, post: 325610, member: 435 wrote: So you've been trying it out?
Yeah, several times, off and on. The latest build is very stable but I'm still playing around with it.
BigE, post: 325610, member: 435 wrote: What do you think so far?
I like it. A lot. I am a huge fan of Windows 7 and I like Windows 10 even better.
Wendell, post: 325645, member: 1 wrote: I like it. A lot. I am a huge fan of Windows 7 and I like Windows 10 even better.
Wow! Weren't you kind of an MS hater at point some years ago?
I only used w7 while dealing with a cloud server I was dealing with.
I liked it just fine.
Anything is better than Win8 just on account of the interface.
MagicJack doesn't like it too much after a few hours but other than that all my software still ran/runs on it.
Keep me posted. I'll probably wait a week after the initial roll-out before I grab it and install - just to be sure.
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Yeah, I've changed my stance since then, however. Windows 7 pretty much changed my mind about Windows in general. I mostly hated Windows XP but I lived with it.
I like Windows 8.1. It took me a little bit to get used to Windows 8 in general, but the .1 update made enough difference that it was workable. Now that I have been using it for quite some time, I actually like it a lot, almost as much as Windows 7. Once I realized that the Start page was basically just a big Start menu, then it was easy to get used to.
And for the folks that just can't seem to get over that Start page, there is always the free utility, Classic Shell. I installed it for my Mom on her new laptop and she can't hardly tell the difference between Windows 8 & 7.
Jim Frame, post: 324039, member: 10 wrote: Aside from UI changes, are there any features of W10 that make it a useful upgrade? I'm reluctant to change horses just for a different look, especially since W7 64-bit is working so well for me.
Very good point!
Ditto nadrib.
However, according to Wikipedia mainstream has already ended but extended support (whatever that is) continues into 2020.
We're all probably lucky to have machines last that long these days.
