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Surveyors will see if Rainier measures up to 14,411 feet

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2010/07/08/1256510/surveyors-will-see-if-rainier.html

GPS: New technology will determine height

DEAN J. KOEPFLER/STAFF PHOTOGRAPHER FILE
Surveyors will climb Mount Rainier this month to see if the latest generation of GPS can pin a more accurate number on the Northwest’s tallest mountain.
SEATTLE - Mountain climbers scale peaks because they're there.
Surveyors do it to show off their tools.
Nearly two decades after Global Positioning System (GPS) technology was first used to measure Mount Rainier, a team of surveyors will hike to the summit this month to see if the latest generation of GPS can pin a more accurate number on the Northwest’s tallest mountain.
“I fully expect that we’ll get a different elevation,” said Gavin Schrock, administrator of the Washington State Reference Network and project coordinator.
How different?
Probably just a few inches, Schrock conceded.
“But who knows?” he asked. “What if we see a couple of feet?”
The mountain gained a foot and a smidgen in 1988, when that initial GPS measurement yielded an elevation of 14,411.1 feet. The same surveyors group came within a half-inch of that number when they remeasured Rainier again in 1999.
Most official maps still stick with 14,410 feet – the number derived in 1956 by U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) scientists using old-fashioned survey methods based on triangulation.
A foot more or less is just noise for the 5,000-some folks who trudge to the summit each year, said Chuck Young, chief ranger at Mount Rainier National Park. Absolute precision will always be elusive with a volcano that swells and contracts, and whose high point is cloaked in an ever-changing layer of snow and ice, he said.
But Young still feels the project is worthwhile.
“I think what’s intriguing is that it’s always up for some debate, depending on how you measure.”
The debate dates back more than 150 years, with estimates ranging between 12,330 feet and 15,500 feet.
The low number came from naval officer Charles Wilkes, who eyeballed and triangulated the mountain from Fort Nisqually in the early 1840s. Near the end of the century, a young chemistry professor carted a three-foot mercury barometer to the summit, using changes in atmospheric pressure to calculate an elevation of 14,528. He fell to his death on the descent. Another survey team used as a yardstick the boiling point of water, which also changes with elevation.
Rainier was among the first major mountains to get the GPS treatment. Established in 1973, the system pinpoints location based on signals from a network of satellites orbiting 12,000 miles above the Earth. In 1988, the technology was still young and the network consisted of six satellites, said surveyor Larry Signani, who organized the pioneering expedition.
His team included 150 surveyors and volunteers. The battery-operated receivers they hauled to the summit weighed 80 pounds each. It took a month for multiple groups to process the data.
By 1999, the instruments had shrunk to 10 pounds and the team was down to 40 people.
Today, there are more than two dozen satellites in orbit and GPS has become so commonplace it’s embedded in every new cell phone and many cars.
A dozen people will set out from Paradise on July 21, carrying three receivers. Each weighs about two pounds and is capable of spitting out elevations instantaneously, down to the level of a few millimeters.
These aren’t your typical handheld GPS units, which can be off by several yards. The professional instruments, which can cost up to $12,000, are owned mainly by construction companies.
Another key to the accuracy possible today is a ground-based network of 100 GPS stations installed across the state over the past decade – the reference network that Schrock oversees. The fixed stations provide reference points that can be used to factor out errors in GPS measurements caused by atmospheric interference and other glitches.
Contractors tap into the reference network when they need precise measurements to lay a water pipe or grade a roadbed. Farmers use it, too, to set the most efficient grids for planting.

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Posted : July 9, 2010 7:22 am
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a couple of millimeters?

this reminds me of the NY Times article that giddily proclaimed the Leica Scanstation 2 can measure to "the tiniest fraction of a millimeter!"

 
Posted : July 9, 2010 7:29 am
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"Mainly owned by construction companies"

My favorite part:

>These aren’t your typical handheld GPS units, which can be off by several yards. The professional instruments, which can cost up to $12,000, are owned mainly by construction companies.

I'm calling a construction company the next time I need something really measured accurately!

 
Posted : July 9, 2010 7:46 am
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yeah I caught that too.

And they are using them to lay gravity sewer line-that should work well!

We were discussing a relative of a surveyor friend who thought nautical charts are to the nearest foot and she thought her boat GPS could avoid a shoal just by entering the lat-long of the shoal from the nautical chart into it (entered to the nearest second mind you). The surveyor friend had a tough time convincing her that her chart and equipment aren't that good especially given a second is a least several feet not too mention the accuracy the map and the GPS.

But the GPS shows a perfect answer on the little screen so it must be perfect, right?

90% of people have no idea of accuracy vs precision or the fact that technology has limitations.

 
Posted : July 9, 2010 7:51 am
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Reporters do not get it right for the most part. The technical stuff just makes them bleary.
When a CORS station went online here, I was one of the surveyors interviewed for the article.
I know that I should have kept it simple but I was asked why it was important and I responded about H&V accuracies.
When the article was prominently published, it quoted me as saying that the vertical accuracies were 1mm. LOL
I was really embarrassed. Only one colleague ribbed me about it for awhile and then thankfully he let it go.

 
Posted : July 9, 2010 9:30 am
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That reminds me of back in the early 80's. We had been using a Electronic Total Station about 18mos and a competitor showed up on the front page of the local newspaper with his new Zeiss EDM with the quote "This equipment is so powerful that it will shoot distances thru trees and underbrush."

 
Posted : July 9, 2010 1:47 pm
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We used to swear that the Wild Distomat DI-10 could shoot through rock...AND around corners...

DDSM

 
Posted : July 9, 2010 2:06 pm