Let He Who Is Without Sin, Cast The First Stone
"Before any surveyor calls for Joe's ouster, review your lifetime of surveying and count how many times you should have turned someone in for bad surveying? How many times should you have turned someone in for cheating on his expense account or on his wife?"
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OK Paul. Tell me how those possible offenses you mentioned compare in any way, shape, form or magnitude to multiple counts of forced rape of children. Go ahead, 'splain that to me.
All I know is that if my own child was an athlete at Penn State today, that kid would definitely NOT be one tomorrow.
Is That The Same Boise State On NCAA Probation ?
I take it that everyone else's sin is greater than yours?
As to child abuse, yes it is probably the worst, which is why even mention of it can ruin innocent people's lives and carreers. That may be why there are specific rules in reporting it. But if we are going to crucify some few because they are not perfect Saints, then we are all in trouble.
Paul in PA
Let He Who Is Without Sin, Cast The First Stone
I agree with you Paul. Many heads should roll on this matter. Anyone who had knowledge of the timeline that you have posted and continued to sanction Sandusky and the Second Mile program should be held to be complicit in this mess. That would include police authorities and PSU officials including Paterno.
I listened briefly to the Pa. DA comments yesterday and she said that Joe Paterno was "not a target at this time". That is not good news for Paterno. They usually have a course of action laid out.
According to your timeline, if Sandusky took one of these boys across a state line then the Feds should get involved immediately. If the feds get involved, they really do nor care whose boots they nail to the wall. The bigger the boots the better in their eyes.
BTW Sandusky Still Has An Office On Campus
He was seen on campus last week.
I take it Joepa has to patrol the streets also.
The investigation will continue and will put a lot of stink on a lot of people.
Sandusky took one victim to the Alamo Bowl, Florida being several states away from PA. So do your good deed Robert and call the FBI.
Paul in PA
Is That The Same Boise State On NCAA Probation ?
I don't think this is a question of comparative sins. Obviously nobody is exempt from sin, no matter what your definition of it is, and who the judges may be.
To defend the sin you seem to be defending is unconscionable to me. I hereby remove your right to wear that Boise State hat I sent you. Burn it.
I Am Not Defending Any Sin
I may be defending some of the sinners.
It was I that first brought the subject to this board's attention.
Paul in PA
Tim Milton, I Should Have Called You Out On This Earlier
"Frankly, I don't see how Joe Paterno can escape criminal charges,..."
Strong talk from a resident of the state where the college football coach was personally responsible for abuse of one of his own players. Did not hear you calling for criminal charges there.
Paul in PA
I Am Not Defending Any Sin
> I may be defending some of the sinners.
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> It was I that first brought the subject to this board's attention.
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Frankly, I'm pretty sure that I saw in it lots of other places before you brought it to our attention on this board, but it's nice that you're taking credit for it, if it makes you feel better. It may surprise you that Paul in PA is not my only news source.
And given what you've written here, yes you are defending the sinners and minimizing the victims. Each to his own.
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I Am Not Defending Any Sin
> I may be defending some of the sinners.
Of course you are, because you, like most Americans it seems, have put your favorite sports figures on pedestals and giving them "Hero" status, which later forces you to defend them to the end.
Once it became apparent that the admin was just going to sweep the whole thing under the rug, then those who knew the truth should have gone to the police. They should have gone to the police first, actually.
BTW Sandusky Still Has An Office On Campus
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> Sandusky took one victim to the Alamo Bowl, Florida being several states away from PA. So do your good deed Robert and call the FBI.
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> Paul in PA
I don't think that I have to alert the proper authorites about other violations including the Mann Act.
I just want them to throw the book at the scum.
When you start throwing fed charges, then the penalties such as mandatory sentencing etc usually carries more weight tha state charges.
As a observer I wonder, how far local authorites would dig down through all the stink that they discover. Is it true that original local DA for this investigation disappeared and his body was never found?
I Am Not Defending Any Sin
IS Paul SERIOUSLY comparing fraudulent surveying to child rape? holy sh T that's an all time low in my bottom 10 list of crap read on a survey message board. I'm depressed to be a surveyor after reading that.
Tim Milton, I Should Have Called You Out On This Earlier
> "Frankly, I don't see how Joe Paterno can escape criminal charges,..."
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> Strong talk from a resident of the state where the college football coach was personally responsible for abuse of one of his own players. Did not hear you calling for criminal charges there.
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> Paul in PA
Interesting that you are trying to fall back on an apples to oranges comparison.
The plain truth is that McQueary told Paterno that he witnessed Sandusky having anal sex with a ten year old boy in the shower at a Penn State facility.
Paterno trying to protect an old friend, convinced himself it was nothing more that some sort of horseplay (DENIAL).
In doing so, he allowed Sandusky the opportunity to prey on countless numbers of more victims over the years. I heard on the news this morning that since the State had issued a phone number for more victims to come forward yesterday, that the number of victims has doubled.
Now, how does that compare with something a coach from a college in Texas did? Do you care to cite a specific instance where a Texas head coach knew his defensive coordinator was molesting little boys, and instead of calling the police, swept it under the rug?
Or are you trying to say that locking a trouble making player in a closet to keep him out of practice is just as criminal?
Tim Milton, Pay Attention to The Facts
After hearing what occured, Joe Paterno had the witness sit down with the proper PSU officials. Paterno was not a witness, anything he heard was hearsay. I can only assume that the witness passed on the full details. It was then out of their hands.
That those who were paid to act, failed to act has, somehow brought their irresponsibility back to Paterno.
Today Penn State's trustees have reportedly given university president Graham Spanier two options: quit or be fired.
That makes the three most responsible actors in the cover up, if you will, gone. Personally I think the Board of Trustees should be asked to resign. It is the Board's responsibility to have proper accountability in place and to enforce it. They failed in that matter for many years.
Paul in PA
DJ, you're on the right track
but what that graduate assistant should have done when he witnessed the child rape in progress is to take that sumbitch down by any means necessary, right on the spot. End it right there. Then go straight to the police. Hell with Joe Paterno or his own job security. Just stop it, right then and there. A simple decision for any right minded thinker. Why it did not happen like that is the crux of this issue.
DJ, you're on the right track
> but what that graduate assistant should have done when he witnessed the child rape in progress is to take that sumbitch down by any means necessary, right on the spot.
Agreed. How anybody, especially a strong young man, could just walk away from that scene without some kind of intervention is beyond me.
I Am Not Defending Any Sin
Take it easy on Paul. I can understand it is very difficult to accept the falling of a person such as Joe Paterno. His posting is obviously off base but I would give Paul the benefit of the doubt for now.
I think Paterno failed to do the courageous thing necessary like so many other men in high positions of his generation. He was viewed as sort of a god like figure who could do no wrong and it is a terrible shock to some to find out he is only a defective human like the rest of us.
DJ, you're on the right track
There are numerous cases of failure to act, it is even a named syndrome. Fear is a very powerful emotion. I think people in general are extremely reluctant to act outside there perceived station in the pecking order. It's not an excuse but the reaction unfortunately is more common than not.
This is a massive failure of courage on the part of the leadership. Leaders should be willing to do what is necessary. Paterno is expected to have had such courage but he didn't have enough.
