Yep early surveyor get to makes the coffee.
I can sort of understand the board's standpoint on some of this. They have to make and stand by some rules, and if they allow some non-approved ethics courses for one person, others would have a case against them if they didn't approve theirs. Also it is the board that was active when they gave you the new deadline for taking the course who is at greatest fault. It should have definitely been put in writing and both sent to you in writing as well as added to the file. How can the current board members rely on some verbal approval (made by them or others) if they don't have the wording and paper in front of them?
One of my biggest complaints might be is their concern more about how the media might reflect on them over whether or not they are doing the right thing. How do those ethics work? Maybe they should work under the theory that everything they do might get exposed to the media, if they can't operate on a theory of making the more ethical choice.
I was already given the exemption is the thing. It was in my file that I recieved exemption every year between 2004 thru 2008.
I did not ask them to approve my military ethics classes either. That came about because of the phone conversation. I only put it in there because of what was said to me during said conversation.
Maybe I looked at it wrong.
did you get the email I sent you in regards to the book?
My inactive license-Adam
Seemed to me the board exempted John from everything except the ethics course because he was either in country or trying to assimilate back into civilian life. Why did they not waive everything and not just leave this select part.
I figure it was some bureaucratic mistake and not a true slight against John since they gave him his license back. Our BOR is not a day job but is one that the members only meet infrequently. Clerical errors happen which is why it is always good to send everything as registered with a return receipt.
I would suspect that the ethics course was a separate issue that the BOR monitored and that Johns paperwork for the exemption just did not make it to that part of their monitoring.
My inactive license-Adam
Deral, John,
I agree with you both.
I also agree that maybe an admission of fault or an apology is in order on occasion, but I am not sure that is easy to come by. Not only are a lot of people arrogant, and never admit fault, it is even harder for a board. No one member can speak as a full representative of the board. They have to act as one and each member has to support the final vote of the board. I could be "sorry" or believe that my group acted inappropraitely, but I can't really apologize for the "board" unless I get a majority vote at a board meeting acknowledging "sorrow".
John, I did get your email and should have acknowledged so. Thank you. I will email you later.
My inactive license-Adam
Alright. For some reason my emails get caught in some peoples spam filter.
I made the mistake of putting the word 'survey' in my email address. I couldn't use it to contact clients at all. Only thing I could figure is 'survey' set off alarms. Every time my email would get junked.
Spend all that time working up an estimate, then no reply no reply, finally do a follow up call and they never got the email or the follow up emails. They were still waiting on me. Twas a pain.
Finally quit using it for the most part. Just use my MSN account anymore.
"One of my biggest complaints might be is their concern more about how the media might reflect on them over whether or not they are doing the right thing. How do those ethics work? Maybe they should work under the theory that everything they do might get exposed to the media, if they can't operate on a theory of making the more ethical choice."
Very much agree. Seems at least some BOR members need some touch up ethics edumacation themselves. If you know your decision is based upon sound ethical principles, you are unconcerned what others may say. But a few words only are required to answer any question when ethics are the basis for finding the correct decision, so it is a small budon to explain your decision. The sad thing about some BOR's is they offer their decision, then will not give any explaination whatever.
Another thing to consider. Some or most BOR's will allow you to address the members at their monthly or 1/4 meetings. You must request to be on the agenda. Even if not on the agenda, the meetings are public and you can show up. At the end of the agenda, if time allows, questions from the public are taken. Even without that, face to face communication with a decider has got to be better than any other method. During a break or after the meeting, find the aftermeet bar and be friendly while talking up deciders. I know quite a few BOR volunteers and have yet to find one that wasn't open to discussing most issues. There can be things they are not allowed to say, but if they have ethics, the don't use it as an excuse to avoid expanation of the decision.
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Well said Angelo. Always get it in writing. I assumed that the BOR gave your initial pass on the ethics course. That should be in their meeting minutes. Good luck John.
Huh?
In addition, every BOR member that I have ever known, it has COST them money to be on the Board. It's a volunteer position, and maybe you can get meal and/or travel expenses.
I agree. I have never known of a BOR member who I didn't have respect for. From John's post,I get the feeling that he was not dealing directly with the BOR, but with an administrator. Possibly an in person appearance before the BOR would have been the way to go? Anyhow, it seems like a very poor reason not to renew his license.
