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(@holy-cow)
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Let it stand or ask that it be fixed?

Survey calls to four lines that are all described as being parallel to the east section line.?ÿ That line and three of the calls have a bearing that agrees and ending in 31 seconds.?ÿ The fourth line specifically says it is parallel with the east section line but ends with 28 seconds.?ÿ Let it stand or ask that it be fixed?

We are talking about a measurement error equal to the length of an eyebrow on a chigger.?ÿ However, those who believe a different number is different for a very wise reason will want to know which bearing is the TRUE bearing.

 
Posted : 27/04/2023 8:11 am
(@dougie)
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Does it fall within a reasonable tolerance?

 

Tell those who believe a different number is different, that surveyors are allowed a reasonable tolerance; 3 seconds is negligible, and move on...

 

 
Posted : 27/04/2023 8:23 am
(@jitterboogie)
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I suppose I'll showy idiocy and say it depends.....

along the east line for the full distance if that fourth line is extended beyond the first three(for a full section line)and they're only say 40 or 100 feet in length, I might be inclined to hold the fourth, also depends on the nature of the corroborating evidence to the other corners and adjacent parcel data.

of course if these are all the exact same line of the same boundary described by 4 different stamps the odd person out loses. I suppose.

it depends is always the first thing that pops into my ignorant mind to be educated by the bigger body of knowledge.

which are you holding?

 

 
Posted : 27/04/2023 8:33 am
(@mightymoe)
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Really Cow?

Surely you know the answer to this one.  

 
Posted : 27/04/2023 8:50 am
(@flga-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2)
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parallel with the east section line but ends with 28 seconds.

Just change the damn drawing to 31 seconds.  

 
Posted : 27/04/2023 8:51 am
(@jitterboogie)
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parallel with the east section line but ends with 28 seconds.

Just change the damn drawing to 31 seconds.  

I can't wait to see what the AICP person will do in response.  Seriously, and unfortunately.

 

 

 
Posted : 27/04/2023 9:07 am
(@rover83)
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I mean, if that's the only thing (or one of the only things) that someone can find wrong with my work...I don't care too much about that.

I would rather make the easy fix. Nowadays I only really get annoyed when the comments are things like "we don't like your north arrow" and "all your text sizes must be exactly the same" or "use this surveyor's certification" [instead of the one mandated by law].

Technical errors I don't mind fixing. Personal preferences, or stuff that goes against best practices or statute? Go fly a kite.

 
Posted : 27/04/2023 9:18 am
(@norman-oklahoma)
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Let it stand or ask that it be fixed?

That would come back from my County Surveyor's review like it was made of flubber. That the difference in numbers is trivial is of no matter. They lines are parallel or they are not.

If they were originally intended to be parallel, but the lines are now said to be controlled by monuments as set, that is a different thing.

 
Posted : 27/04/2023 9:19 am
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parallel with the east section line but ends with 28 seconds.

Just change the damn drawing to 31 seconds.  

Meet them in the middle and change both to 29.5  

 

 
Posted : 27/04/2023 9:47 am
(@ontarget1)
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I had a reviewer tell me that my bearing was off by 1 second from the platted bearing one time. He was correct as I had let the drafting program label the lines and the lot didn't close exactly perfectly but within tolerance. When I explained that 1 second in a 90' line amounted to which side of the point the computer grabbed he felt kinda stupid. I did change that bearing just to keep the peace, but managed to get in some pretty good digs in the process. Now I'm careful to not let that happen any more. I don't need the aggravation.

 
Posted : 27/04/2023 10:39 am
(@kscott)
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As a plat reviewing County Surveyor I would note the discrepancy to the Surveyor, but not require it be modified because I understand the insignificance of the difference. I would prefer that the Surveyor change it to match because there are others (attorneys and planners for examples) that will make a big deal out of the "obvious error" and disparage the ability of the plat provider.

 
Posted : 27/04/2023 10:41 am
(@bill93)
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Is that the amount of convergence?

 
Posted : 27/04/2023 10:56 am
(@james-fleming)
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The fourth line specifically says it is parallel with the east section line but ends with 28 seconds.

It needs to be fixed.  Not because of the magnitude of the mathematical difference between 28 and 31 seconds over the length of the line; rather because calling lines with different bearing parallel introduces an unnecessary ambiguity.

 
Posted : 27/04/2023 11:11 am
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additionally....

if line 4 the oddball was the original line in lieu of GPS and mathmagical modern surveying,I'd throw out the other three...but again it depends.

 
Posted : 27/04/2023 11:26 am
(@lurker)
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Wait, am I hearing that 31 seconds is the right bearing just because there are more of them than there are 28 seconds? No one cares which is correct just that they are all the same? This smells like the onset of OCD.

 
Posted : 27/04/2023 3:00 pm
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