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(@bstrand)
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I'm guessing most of the people here have heard of this guy.?ÿ The short is he was squatting on a wooded parcel for around 30 years before getting busted.?ÿ I stumbled across an update to the story and there's mention of survey (underlined) in it now.?ÿ See below:

CONCORD, N.H. (AP) ƒ?? A former hermit in New Hampshire whose cabin in the woods burned down after nearly three decades on the property that he was ordered to leave has been charged with trespassing there once again, turning a shed that survived the fire into a makeshift home outfitted with a wood stove.

There had been an outpouring of support for David Lidstone, 81 ƒ?? better known as ƒ??River Dave" ƒ??since he was arrested in July and accused of squatting on property owned by a Vermont man. His cabin burned down in August while he was jailed.

Lidstone was a local celebrity to boaters and kayakers on the Merrimack River before his property dispute caught the attention of the masses, bringing in over $200,000 in donations to help him start a new, law-abiding life.

Lidstone, who was grateful for the support, had secured temporary housing as he figured out where to live next and believed that he could not go back to being a hermit.

But he returned to the site in Canterbury in late November, turning the wood shed into a home. He was arrested on a trespassing charge Dec. 14 and faces a court hearing in March.

ƒ??Sometimes, you have to stand up for what is right," Lidstone told The Associated Press in a phone interview from the site on Tuesday. ƒ??I'm 81, I've got nothing to lose."

Lidstone is a logger by trade who chopped his firewood and grew his food in the woods along the river. The property, undeveloped and mostly used for timber harvests, has been owned by the same family since 1963. Lidstone had claimed that years ago, the current owner's father gave his word ƒ?? but nothing in writing ƒ?? allowing him to live there.

In the summer, he was jailed on a civil contempt sanction and was told heƒ??d be released if he agreed to leave the cabin following a property dispute that goes back to 2016. The landowner, 86-year-old Leonard Giles, of South Burlington, Vermont, wanted Lidstone off the property.

ƒ??We'll let the court address it," Lisa Snow Wade, an attorney for Giles, said Tuesday of Lidstone's arrest.

Back in the summer, both sides agreed to arrange for Lidstone to collect his cats and chickens and remaining possessions at the site. Lidstone also was given permission to hire a surveyor to give him ƒ??peace of mind,ƒ? Judge Andrew Schulman said. As of Tuesday, Lidstone said he was unable to get someone to come out to survey the land yet.

A fire destroyed the cabin on Aug. 4, hours after Lidstone defended himself during a court hearing. He was released from jail the next day after the judge ruled that he would have less incentive to return to ƒ??this particular place in the woods,ƒ? now that the cabin had burned down.

Canterbury Fire Chief Michael Gamache said the fire was caused by accident. He said a representative of Giles who was starting to demolish the cabin on Aug. 4 disabled solar panels, which still had electrical charge in them. He also used a power saw to cut into metal supports that held the panels onto the roof. Either action could have created sparks to start making things smoke.

ƒ??What can I say, Dave is where he is happiest the most," Jodie Gedeon, a kayaker who has known Lidstone for years, posted on Facebook. ƒ??He loves to be in nature and what youƒ??d call a free bird. ... We are still planning to build or purchase a home in the spring."

I'm wondering what the peace of mind is...?ÿ He claims he was given permission to be there but he doesn't seem to be contesting ownership, so I guess I'm at a loss.?ÿ Any Vermont guys here following this?

 
Posted : 04/01/2022 6:21 pm
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This is in NH, the owners live in VT.

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Posted : 05/01/2022 3:34 am
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I agree; I'm not sure what piece of mind a surveyor could give him if all he seeks is peace and quiet.

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Posted : 05/01/2022 4:27 am
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@murphy?ÿ

Yeah, we don't need any hermits here.

They had that North Pond Hermit in Maine a few years ago.

I agree, not sure what they were looking for a surveyor to do, unless it was to map out his claim for adverse possession

 
Posted : 05/01/2022 6:07 am
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Posted by: @jph

adverse possession

It said he claimed he was given permission.?ÿ That rules out AP.

 
Posted : 05/01/2022 6:24 am
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I love Vermont so much.?ÿ I worked there for a brief stint a few years ago and should never have left.?ÿ I didn't survey in the winter though - I imagine it's insanely difficult (physically) with the deep snow, slopes, etc.

 
Posted : 05/01/2022 6:30 am
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@bill93?ÿ

I just skimmed over and missed the part where the current owner's father allegedly gave him permission to be there

 
Posted : 05/01/2022 6:32 am
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I enjoyed noting that both the hermit and the land owner were octogenarians.?ÿ Fiesty old birds.

 
Posted : 05/01/2022 7:06 am
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Seems like maybe it could be a case of adverse possession depending on the new owner's length of ownership.?ÿ I have surveyed properties that have been adversely acquired like that, one guy and a cabin.

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There was another hermit in Maine that lived in the middle of 250 acres and nobody ever saw the guy for 27 years.?ÿ He was great at covering his tracks, never built a fire, and never had a proper shelter.?ÿ He would steal food and propane tanks from nearby houses.?ÿ Apparently nobody begrudged the guy stuff and they would leave things hanging on their doorknobs.?ÿ Before he became a hermit, he worked for a locksmith and naturally was able to pick locks.?ÿ His little "compound" was carefully concealed between some rock formations.?ÿ It was really a shame that law enforcement set a trap for him using modern trip sensors and locked him up.?ÿ Living in the woods was cheaper than putting him in the looney bin.

 
Posted : 05/01/2022 7:10 am
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@tom-bushelman if you're referring to Christopher Knight - he wasn't known to his neighbors as a hermit. He was arrested because the neighbors were sick of having their cabins broken into and stuff being stolen every year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Thomas_Knight

 
Posted : 05/01/2022 7:29 am
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Posted by: @tom-bushelman

Seems like maybe it could be a case of adverse possession depending on the new owner's length of ownership.?ÿ

IANAL but I would think that the clock would not begin to run on AP until the new owner did something to repudiate the permission.?ÿ He has done that now, but only recently as I recall the OP.

 
Posted : 05/01/2022 8:08 am
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Posted by: @bill93
Posted by: @tom-bushelman

Seems like maybe it could be a case of adverse possession depending on the new owner's length of ownership.?ÿ

IANAL but I would think that the clock would not begin to run on AP until the new owner did something to repudiate the permission.?ÿ He has done that now, but only recently as I recall the OP.

That's an interesting question, Bill - does permission expire when the land ownership changes? I would think that it does, so it would seem that the tolling of AP might start from when the current owner acquired his legal interest in the land.

Does inheritance vs. purchase make a difference in the permission question?

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Posted : 05/01/2022 9:02 am
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