SX12

Tried the SX10. For topo and construction works, it's quite heavy to use and reflectorless shots are slower using the camera, the zoom and pan is abit laggy.?ÿ

For scanning, it is slower than using even a faro. The benefit of having a know stations to backsight can be solved with using a quick traverse and targets.

I would suggest keeping the robot and scanner separate.?ÿ

@sireath?ÿ

thanks. I have seperate scanners but am a bit fond of the idea to do a quick scan of a part of a site to complete measurements.

I know it's slower, will not use it for a complete facade but bits and pieces when needed

It really depends on the individual as to how easy it is to adapt to a camera rather than an eyepiece. I find the SX far better than the S series for camera navigation. Took me an hour or two to adapt, but it's super slick once you get the hang of it.

Some of my coworkers just couldn't deal with it, kept trying to stand behind it and point it rather than just look at the video feed.

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Posted by: @beuckie

know it's slower, will not use it for a complete facade but bits and pieces when needed

This is the right attitude. It's not meant to be used like a traditional scanner, and once you get a feel for when to scan and how much to scan, it really boost productivity. Personally, I love the SX series for civil/urban topo work.

Loved the SX10 and the SX12 for just what Rover mentioned, using any S-bot is anti climactic and scans are the bonus. It's also a 1 second gun too.

If you work close enough the instrument that you are using the Wi-Fi connection, the camera doesn't really lag too much, it is when you are trying to use the camera over the long range radio that it is horrible. Also being able to take a few georeferenced scans and then combine unreferenced scans to them is a nice feature.

I had a S6 before the SX10 and with the S6 I used the optical telescope 10 times in 5 years. I was using the S6 camera. SX10/12 spins slower due to being heavier.

We have an sx12 that one crew uses occasionally when they need a robot and or some scans. Otherwise they normally use a Leica conventional.?ÿ

I have only used the sx12 once on a pretty non challenging worksite. I'm curious if it's better than the s5 as far as not locking onto random reflective stuff (since it doesn't have the option to use the active prism). The s5 even with the active prism will lock onto shiny stuff near the prism and in passive mode you better be watching it really closely.?ÿ

I am almost positive I would rather use the camera feed than the knobs on the s5 or the joystick.?ÿ

@350rocketmike?ÿ

I used mine with traffic between me, and it did about as good as I could imagine due to the circumstances.

Without a constant barrage of windshields and reflection surfaces I've taken shots out to 1700 feet and had no tracking issues.

Ymmv, and I'm not a chewlie's gum rep either for Yellow Box industries.

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I had a demo in the field today. It looks slick indeed. Scanned some stuff like 600m away without problems.

But now i'm wondering : how does this operate in the dark because i do a lot of stakeouts very early or at night if needed. The camera won't see nothing or is there a workaround?

@beuckie?ÿ

Not sure the answer about working in the dark, but I tried the sx12 again at my house one weekend just for fun. I liked it compared to the s5. The green laser beam is actually visible in daytime unlike the s series beam, I'm assuming reflectorless shots are much more accurate too (s5 is terrible in this regard) and acquiring lock seemed easier with the video feed than with the s5 turning on the guidelights (wish they would just stay on all the time) and joysticking it to me (joystick randomly glitches out and sends it off in the other direction randomly).?ÿ

Also it shoots really fast, like a couple seconds just like our old Leica 1203+. The s5 in semi active mode takes 9-10 second or 4-5 seconds if it's in active mode. Even longer if I change it to shoot more than the minimum "2 observations" that I have it set to.?ÿ

I also tried the new s7 another crew got for a short job and it takes just as long to shoot as the s5 so it seems like it's just the sx12 that got the really fast measuring. I still preferred the video feed on the s7 instead of the guidelights on the s5. The guidelights would be fine if the s5 wasn't so bad at acquiring lock.?ÿ

I might try the sx12 for a day or 2 when I know nobody else is using it. The crew that was using it got an s7 to replace their Leica ts07 so they don't need it unless they're scanning now, so it sits around a lot.?ÿ

Posted by: @350rocketmike

The s5 in semi active mode takes 9-10 second or 4-5 seconds if it's in active mode.

Get that thing to a dealer, even reflectorless isn't usually more than 5 seconds unless it's just a bad surface or poor incident angle...that's not even close to normal.

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Posted by: @beuckie

But now i'm wondering : how does this operate in the dark because i do a lot of stakeouts very early or at night if needed. The camera won't see nothing or is there a workaround?

I used the SX10 in Alaska in the winter and seem to remember fairly decent EV compensation in the cameras. The zoom helps a lot when pinpointing scan areas. For topo or stakeout it finds the target fast, and there is a target illumination light to help with getting lock.

I loved the SX10, but have minimal exposure to the SX12. I know it's used extensively for underground/mining work, so I can't imagine that it's unworkable in low light conditions.

@rover83?ÿ

I'm not complaining about how long reflectorless shots take to measure... But we have 2 s5/tsc7s, plus the s7 I just tried the other day and they all take that long to shoot with the MT1000 prism...any other suggestions? That's 2 difference MT1000s, 2 different s5's and 2 different tsc7's running them so that should eliminate a problem data collector or prism.

I don't see any way to change it other than the "number of observations" being set to the minimum of 2 and changing it to active only mode which as I said cut it down to 4 seconds.?ÿ

Sure I can just use tracking mode but that's not really shooting, it's just storing the last position. I don't really trust that.?ÿ