Notifications
Clear all

Pincushion of the Day

18 Posts
9 Users
0 Reactions
5 Views
(@field-dog)
Posts: 1372
Noble Member Registered
Topic starter
 

Looking for an original plat corner.

4ADD8D68 62B8 49D4 A26D 474498902E1A
 
Posted : 07/06/2023 7:19 am
(@bstrand)
Posts: 2272
Noble Member Registered
 

All I see is a single yellow cap...

 
Posted : 07/06/2023 7:26 am
(@holy-cow)
Posts: 25292
 

Nice gloves.

 
Posted : 07/06/2023 7:46 am
(@field-dog)
Posts: 1372
Noble Member Registered
Topic starter
 

@holy-cow 

Thanks. Too much glass in the ground to take any chances.

 
Posted : 07/06/2023 9:22 am
(@field-dog)
Posts: 1372
Noble Member Registered
Topic starter
 

@bstrand 

Zoom in a bit to the left of the pink pin flag. There’s a 4x4 CM with a N&D there. The disc does not bear the licensed business number of the platting surveyor. I found a 1/4” rebar where I’m digging. I poked all around it with my machete, but couldn’t find any concrete. I don’t know why someone would’ve set a 1/4“ rebar that’s typically used for a CM without the concrete unless they ran out of concrete. I’m not sure if precast CMs were around in 1970, which is when this plat was recorded.

 
Posted : 07/06/2023 10:15 am
(@sub-d-vider)
Posts: 152
Estimable Member Registered
 

I have had my 2nd C-1/4 pincushion discovery this last month in my 35 years of surveying.  The 1st one was about 15 years ago and they were about 12' apart set by the same surveyor.  This last one was 0.7' apart and set by the same surveyor.  But each 1/4 corners were different surveyors.  They pincushion themselves.  

 
Posted : 07/06/2023 3:11 pm
(@holy-cow)
Posts: 25292
 

Fully expected to find two pincushions early this week.  Found nothing in both cases.  That is pathetic.  The reason?  A nationally known land surveying firm was in this area a couple of years back working with a major industrial wind turbine installation spread over a very large area.  Many PLSS sections involved in numerous townships.  We have stumbled onto a few bars with their caps.  In a section from six months ago we found a bar/cap at the "X" of quarter section lines for the center corner.  This week's findings were non-existent at both of the "X" locations and at the corner frequently used per physical evidence in each case.  BTW, none of the corner reports have ever been filed with the State or the County.

 
Posted : 08/06/2023 9:37 am
(@field-dog)
Posts: 1372
Noble Member Registered
Topic starter
 

BTW, none of the corner reports have ever been filed with the State or the County.

I'm curious to see what a Kansas corner report looks like. Think you can post one for me?

 
Posted : 10/06/2023 7:37 am
(@flga-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2)
Posts: 7403
Illustrious Member Registered
 

@field-dog

If you are in a “typical” Florida subdivision it’s not at all unusual to see that. After PCP centerline monumentation became mandatory, and even before, most lot corners were derived from centerline and lot or block corner evidence instead of the plat boundary monuments. Most Surveyors will search for C/L control or front corners first. If found or set they will often be used for locating or setting the rear corners. Thus the pincushion. 

 
Posted : 10/06/2023 10:28 am
(@tim-libs)
Posts: 102
Estimable Member Registered
 

@flga-2-2 

Sounds a lot like up here in the western Washington.

”Held centerline of 5th Ave NE monuments for Basis of Bearing”.

”Found rebar with cap (insert name of original Plattor) N 0.29’ & E 0.31’, set prop at calc position”

 
Posted : 10/06/2023 12:00 pm
(@holy-cow)
Posts: 25292
 

@field-dog 

Here is one picked at random.  Not mine, BTW.

thumbnail file 12
 
Posted : 10/06/2023 12:54 pm
(@norman-oklahoma)
Posts: 7610
Illustrious Member Registered
 

Here is one picked at random.  Not mine, BTW.

There a 2 purposes for reference marks. One is as an aid to find the monument. The other is as an aid to accurately restore an lost obliterated monument from the references. When a person uses a fence post and the centerline of road as a reference I've got to think that he is assuming the former. But when he offers offsets to the hundredth of a foot I'm thinking the latter. 

For the record I'm in the aid to restoration camp. 

image

 

 
Posted : 10/06/2023 1:26 pm
(@field-dog)
Posts: 1372
Noble Member Registered
Topic starter
 

@holy-cow 

Interesting. No sketch or location data.

 
Posted : 10/06/2023 1:37 pm
(@field-dog)
Posts: 1372
Noble Member Registered
Topic starter
 

@norman-oklahoma 

No latitude and longitude, but SPCs. I like the source description, since I'm always looking to see how a position was derived.

 
Posted : 10/06/2023 2:10 pm
(@holy-cow)
Posts: 25292
 

Would be interested in seeing examples from other PLSS States.

In recording states, the filed survey is what the surveyor should be looking at to determine what to follow and how.  The corner records are primarily there to alert future surveyors that somethng did exist and how to find it based on nearby objects.  Fence posts, power poles, telephone boxes and culvert ends are the most likely items to be chosen in rural areas, with nails driven in or "X" marks etched.  In urban areas, curb returns, concrete corners, house corners, water or gas valve lids, etc. get added into the mix.  May not work 100 years later, but, then, neither will coordinates.

 
Posted : 10/06/2023 5:01 pm
Page 1 / 2
Share: