We had an instrument go down in the rain yesterday, the Parani's were still working. It is drying now and I will re-seal it at the end of the day. It has been a torrent
Will parani radios work with the Trimble 5602 robotic and a Trimble CU running Trimble Survey Controller 12.5? If so can you tell me the settings and connections?
Old Shatterhand, post: 360047, member: 9422 wrote: Will parani radios work with the Trimble 5602 robotic and a Trimble CU running Trimble Survey Controller 12.5? If so can you tell me the settings and connections?
The CU uses the same Hirose pins as I am showing on page 1, so, yes it will work. Do make sure that you run the negative through even to the spots where you are just running Tx and Rx. Survey Controller is the more problematic platform to get to work though. You may end up up sizing your 360å¡ prism with S6 glass to get it to search effectively at distance (they have the same vertical offset and screw right on)
I opened the TSC3 case that has been in the elements since December and no infiltration of the case has occurred. Super cool!
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No, I will never use my green cutting board as a back drop again, ... painful.
Norm Larson, post: 335898, member: 7899 wrote: After switching to the Parani's we need to terminate the RF on the instruments if we want to keep the stock instrument radios from burning up. From what I can tell the GeoRadio's are either female BNC (2.4GHz 0.1 watts) or female RP-TNC (UHF 450 - 470 MHz 0.5 watts). Interesting point I read, when Trimble switched to the 2.4GHz they switched to a spread spectrum radio, which, is why I suspect that they could reduce the power so much. The interesting part is Geodimeter 2.4GHz is spread spectrum and so is Bluetooth, as it is also a 2.4GHz spread spectrum. Male BNC terminators are fairly easy to find, but, not so the male RP-TNC terminator. Anyone found a good source for the RP-TNC terminators?
I'm slowly working through these issues on this post and others. The male RP-TNC terminator was tricky, and this is all I could find. Not sure if it works, but have installed it on my 5600.
Hi Norm
Am fascinated by what you have created here and wondering if I could acquire a set-up for TSC2 / S6 combo?
Have ordered and received the two Parani's and am waiting for some cables, however, in looking at what you devised perhaps I need to follow that route? especially curious about the wiring harness and how it charges the Parani battery. Never done any wiring or soldering before.
I am using the TSCX's USB to power the Parani's at the controller. You can use the serial pins on the TSC2, but, you have to use the power plug with the TSC3 as the ground can't be common inside the little printed boxes. I use the instrument battery at the instrument side. The Parani input says 5V (USB) to 12V (instrument). I have stabilized our instrument batteries at 13.6 volts so there are not start up issues and one of the Parani's has a step down regulator the others do not, no issues either way.
The wiring is actually simpler if you think of it as two separate systems, power and signal. Power is just USB or instrument battery being wired to the plug on the Parani. Signal should be a three way at both ends, Rx, Tx and ground shared between source, Parani and extra plug. We use the extra plug at both ends for the instrument handshake and just remove the cable after start up. No timing race as they have been running in a Parani parallel the entire time.
Nice looking stuff! Maybe I missed it somewhere, but which program are you using to design this stuff for sending to shapeways? I have some stuff not related to surveying I want them to build, but I haven't figured out how to get it drawn up yet. I'm stuck in a 2d world. Thanks!
I use Autodesk Inventor, but, Rhino 3D is viable and much cheaper and then there is the free Blender which is very powerful and has a steep learning curve.
Heyyyy .. ok, I've bookmarked the thread so I can find and respond to it easier (and quicker..lol)
I may have to take it to an electronics place with your photos to see if they can replicate what you've done..as much as I appreciate your explanation, it is completely foreign to me.
Three questions though:
1) in the very first diagram of this thread there is a 4 pin connector, but my S6 has a 6 pin Hirose connection at its base..(actually it has 2 of them as one is for 12v and one is for Comm) will this require a different wiring configuration?
2) what do you mean re:
Norm Larson, post: 383373, member: 7899 wrote: I have stabilized our instrument batteries at 13.6 volts so there are not start up issues and one of the Parani's has a step down regulator the others do not, no issues either way.
3) ...and finally, have you already sold your pieces and wiring harness for the TSC2 as it would be easier to just purchase than try to get it all done from where I am, which is about 7 miles from nowhere in Canada.
1) I haven't dealt with the S6 six pin, but, I think I am going to very soon
2) What I mean is that I have made the voltage of my instruments too high for the Parani's, so, I added a regulator to step down the voltage in the Parani box. So yes a regulator to step up the voltage feeding a regulator to step down the voltage, .. and yes it is as ridiculous as it sounds.
3) Still have them
Trying this Parani option with my 5603. I can only use the 5603 as a total station, so it currently works with the serial wire connected to the Nomad, but are you saying in order to get the Parani's to work, I have to split the transmitter/receiver communications such that the communications link is always maintained? I've tried different baud rates, but not getting any communication, so I think this must be my problem.
Also, I tried both survey pro and surv ce.
Are you maintaining three wires? and yes, you need to maintain the connection of three. You need return and transmit signal and ground and I would power on the side of the Parani as I have seen issues with the Parani's not working correctly if you power through the nine pin. Most the time it works, but, those times it doesn't really work against you. Each instrument is different, I have one that I can boot without ever touching the instrument to the gun by cable and others that will not work that way. I haven't seen a benefit from more than 9600 baud either
Thanks Norm, I figured there's got to be a way to spoof/trick the 5600/Nomad into thinking it was still connected!
Update:
Robotics working. My issues and how I overcame them:
1. The cheap ebay 4 pin Hirose was not for Trimble (ultimately cost me $900 for the dealer to figure this out, and change internal batteries, and calibrate/collimate). Lesson learned the hard way, but once I had the correct cable, I was able to get the TS to communicate (at least via hard wire) with the data collector.
2. I don't (believe I ) have robotics option, so my only way to communicate wirelessly was with software settings as total station, and then to spoof the TS into thinking it was still hard-wired. Initially, I thought I had the correct male/male 9 pin adapter, but I in fact needed a "Null Modem" male/male 9 pin.
3. Once I was able to establish at least some communication wirelessly, I realized one Parani was set to 9600 baud rate, the other was set to another (my mistake from earlier testing, doah). Matching baud rates and now I had wireless communication!
I have done some preliminary testing, and I do not have any handshake issues others have mentioned. I can boot up without any hard wiring. My range is over 300 feet with stub antennas. If I need more range, I may upgrade antennas.
I want to thank all who have helped me, this forum has been great!
Norm Larson, post: 334610, member: 7899 wrote: Does anyone want the bluetooth TSC2 printed parts? All of our TSC2's are now dead from a spike and will not be used for backup, so, I have my set that I printed staring at me everyday. We use the Parani's and the Parani boxes, so, I am not including them. I am looking for $120, plus shipping. You don't like them, return them, then I return your money, like them, keep them or order your own and return these.
TSC2 hat http://shpws.me/JTmK Shapeways $80.51
TSC2 wire loom http://shpws.me/HmHR Shapeways $23.15 (there are two included and neither is the correct part you would order from this link)
TSC2 180å¡ serial http://shpws.me/Hu3t Shapeways $12.84
The large base of the hat O-ring 91mm
The O-ring at the base of the Parani antenna
The cables that I made
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You just need to add a Parani. You will of course need a Bluetooth instrument or a Parani and a null modem there as well. They are blue and I am including both wire looms as one is the prototype, which I consider to thin and the other is the wire loom as stated above that was printed from the wrong model, now fixed on the site (it is missing the alignment pins, but is thick and solid.)
Mark O, post: 390414, member: 11591 wrote: Update:
Robotics working. My issues and how I overcame them:1. The cheap ebay 4 pin Hirose was not for Trimble (ultimately cost me $900 for the dealer to figure this out, and change internal batteries, and calibrate/collimate). Lesson learned the hard way, but once I had the correct cable, I was able to get the TS to communicate (at least via hard wire) with the data collector.
2. I don't (believe I ) have robotics option, so my only way to communicate wirelessly was with software settings as total station, and then to spoof the TS into thinking it was still hard-wired. Initially, I thought I had the correct male/male 9 pin adapter, but I in fact needed a "Null Modem" male/male 9 pin.
3. Once I was able to establish at least some communication wirelessly, I realized one Parani was set to 9600 baud rate, the other was set to another (my mistake from earlier testing, doah). Matching baud rates and now I had wireless communication!
I have done some preliminary testing, and I do not have any handshake issues others have mentioned. I can boot up without any hard wiring. My range is over 300 feet with stub antennas. If I need more range, I may upgrade antennas.
I want to thank all who have helped me, this forum has been great!
In response to No. 2. I don't use null modems anymore as for our purposes it is just a quick wire swap. Across a null model the Tx and Rx swap pins, that's it. Just exchange the wires between pin 2 and 3 and you have created your own null modem. As far as the other two pins we might use 5 and 9 they remain the same across the null modem.
Will parani SD1000 work on Trimble S6 with TCU (survey controller 12.5) ?
Someone tried?
Howdy marcin, glad you found your way here.
Not knowing your location, I don't know where to advise you to look.
The techs at Hayes Instrument gave me solid advice in the past about Parani and other Bluetooth connections.
I'm from Poland. I have Trimble S6 without radio. I wonder if the connection parani will work