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(@andy-j)
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@paden-cash    I can understand the allure, for sure.  I always thought an independent contractor had to supply their own equipment, but I don't think even that is happening these days. 

I suppose there will be work to do cleaning up the mess they are making today.   I often call things like this the "Surveyors Full Employment Act"...  time will tell.  Maybe nobody cares.

 

AJ

 
Posted : 29/07/2020 2:40 am
(@john-putnam)
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@paden-cash

The $600 mark is when you need to start supplying 1099s to contractors.

I've never understood why some people think they can get away with calling a person a contractor.  Years ago I was on a committee to replace the PLSO's retiring executive secretary.  We had been paying a member as a contractor but under his urging we looked into the requirements to qualify as a contractor.  It was complicated but boils down to until a person is actually set up as a business, advertising their services and working under their own supervision they are just employees.

That being said, I have a brother who is a public affairs officer.  For a while he worked for an small federal contractor in DC that insisted that they pay him as a contractor to sit in a DOD office and act like he worked for them.  I could not figure out how they got away with that.  Let alone how that could be cheaper for the Feds than just hiring an employee.

 
Posted : 29/07/2020 6:18 am
(@a-harris)
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@john-putnam

contract help can be a bunch of different helpers that only work a few days a week and fall under the total yearly pay threshold.

My helpers are that and never had a problem, knock on wood.

 

 
Posted : 30/07/2020 12:36 am
(@chris-mills)
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@jitterboogie

 

Hey, that's cheap!! Are they real attorneys?

 
Posted : 30/07/2020 7:04 am
(@jim-frame)
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Posted by: @john-putnam

Let alone how that could be cheaper for the Feds than just hiring an employee.

Not cheaper, just doable.?ÿ Different budget categories.

 
Posted : 30/07/2020 9:08 am
(@thebionicman)
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Independent contractors are required to be 'self-directing'. That precludes exercising responsible charge over them. Pick your poison, IRS or BOR.?ÿ

 
Posted : 30/07/2020 5:09 pm
(@james-deitrick)
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As an experiment, I've offered some ALTA quotes at 1/3 what I would normally quote.?ÿ Nope, haven't got one yet.?ÿ So good luck to the "winner."

 
Posted : 31/07/2020 8:12 am
(@robertusa)
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Did the RFP specify all table A items except for contours or is that what you proposed??ÿ There are surveyors when asked for an ALTA survey, will send a proposal with no table A. That's how one surveyor can be $5000 different than another - different scope of services.

 
Posted : 31/07/2020 6:50 pm
(@thebionicman)
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I quit responding to bid requests a long time ago. If the first (or only) question is price they aren't the tyoe of client I want. The lone exception is hourly rate construction work. On those jobs you get an explanation of my rate, proceeded by a disclaimer for injuries sustained when you pass out from shock.

Stop apologizing for making money.?ÿ

 
Posted : 02/08/2020 7:36 am
(@rj-schneider)
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Posted by: @thebionicman

Independent contractors are required to be 'self-directing'. That precludes exercising responsible charge over them. Pick your poison, IRS or BOR.?ÿ

Wouldn't there be some contractual law to bind ??ÿ If you (hypothetical) entered into an agreement for a?ÿ (TSPS) category 1A boundary survey, with a contractor, wouldn't they be contractually bound to provide the minimum results ??ÿ

?ÿ

 
Posted : 02/08/2020 2:00 pm
(@thebionicman)
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@rj-schneider

The problem with that approach is, you cannot contract to supply a professional service if you aren't a professional. The BOR will hammer the sub and possibly the rubber-stamp as well. 

The only way to avoid trouble would be a PLS crew chief. Not much incentive for the PLS in this economy.

 
Posted : 02/08/2020 3:56 pm
(@rj-schneider)
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Posted by: @thebionicman

The problem with that approach is, you cannot contract to supply a professional service if you aren't a professional. The BOR will hammer the sub and possibly the rubber-stamp as well. 

The only way to avoid trouble would be a PLS crew chief. Not much incentive for the PLS in this economy.

I don't feel you're contracting to supply a professional service, per se, as it isn't, in the strictest definition, being offered to the public but, as a necessary integral to being able to state 'This survey was conducted under my direct supervision ..' and as much as any other service that facilitates the sufficiency of that statement (ie) brush cutting, drone activities, drafting, all which get contracted out, once you apply your seal and signature, It then becomes a professional service.

 
Posted : 02/08/2020 5:06 pm
(@holy-cow)
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Deciding where a property boundary should be monumented qualifies as a professional service.?ÿ Period.

 
Posted : 02/08/2020 6:58 pm
(@thebionicman)
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@rj-schneider

That simply pushes you back in front of the IRS. You are either self-directing as a contractor or under direction as an employee. One way or the other it's going to hurt..

 
Posted : 02/08/2020 7:50 pm
(@dmyhill)
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@thebionicman

You hit the nail on the head...bingo!

 
Posted : 03/08/2020 7:02 am
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