Williwaw, post: 454532, member: 7066 wrote: Accidents happen and are nearly all are preventable.
During a mandatory training (I forget which discipline the training related to) there was an attorney who spoke at great length and continued to repeat a line that has stuck with me from that moment forward and I repeat it to myself several times weekly;
"If it's predictable, it's preventable."
Mike Marks, post: 454540, member: 1108 wrote: The entire crew carried sidearms in the field when I worked for the USFS in Central Idaho, but not for the reasons listed above. Coyote pelts were valuable and back then they were considered vermin, no hunting license and no reporting. High capacity small caliber semi-autos were popular (9mm for me). It's quite the carnival when five people unload 50 rounds at a coyote 40+ yards away and running fast. Looking back, I'm surprised no one was shot.
Skeeter1996, post: 454555, member: 9224 wrote: Only Law Enforcement or specially trained bear people up in Alaska are allowed to carry firearms in the USFS. That must have happened a long long time ago, because you would be terminated quite quickly now days. It was even hard to be allowed to have bear spray.
1970-1971
Mike Marks, post: 454709, member: 1108 wrote: 1970-1971
Edit: I was trying to quote Skeeter's post.
This didn't sound right to me, so I looked it up. Following is from the USFS site:
Shooting sports activities have been enjoyed for generations and are welcomed on National Forest System lands.
Both state and federal laws apply on National Forest System lands, so you also need to check on the state laws and county ordinances which may apply to the area you will be visiting. You also need to be in compliance with any general federal laws and regulations about weapons (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), etc). The National Rifle Association of America (NRA) and many commercial publications provide this information.
The only regulations specific to use of weapons imposed by the Forest Service is that you cannot discharge a weapon within 150 yards of any structure/development or occupied area, within or into a cave, across or on a road or body of water, or in any manner that endangers a person. You also cannot use any tracer or incendiary ammunition. Forest Service regulations require that you also comply with all State laws regarding the use of firearms while hunting.
If you are planning on visiting a designated Wilderness Area, the Regional Forester or Forest Supervisor has the option to implement a special local order which additionally prohibits the mere possession of a firearm within that Wilderness Area. Although this prohibition is not common, you should contact the Forest Supervisor's office to find out whether such a restriction has been imposed.
We encourage you to use designated shooting areas or ranges. However, if you choose to shoot in an undesignated area, please ensure that your shooting does not damage any facilities or natural resources, disrupt other uses, or endanger public safety, and ensure you remove any targets, wads, shells, brass and other refuse with you when you leave. Be sure your shooting target area is free of rocks, as wildfires have resulting from sparks from ricochets. Be responsible for your action and follow outdoor ethics, in other words always, Leave No Trace and Tread Lightly! on federal lands.
It is also a good idea regardless, just to contact the local Forest Service District or Forest Offices in advance of your visit to ask the same question, as they are more aware of local ranges and other opportunities, local orders or restrictions, issues and special conditions that may affect you.
Enjoy your visit to our National Forests.
Jamie Schwartz, Shooting Sports Liaison, USDA Forest Service
AKSteve, post: 454712, member: 765 wrote: Edit: I was trying to quote Skeeter's post.
This didn't sound right to me, so I looked it up. Following is from the USFS site:
Shooting sports activities have been enjoyed for generations and are welcomed on National Forest System lands.
Both state and federal laws apply on National Forest System lands, so you also need to check on the state laws and county ordinances which may apply to the area you will be visiting. You also need to be in compliance with any general federal laws and regulations about weapons (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), etc). The National Rifle Association of America (NRA) and many commercial publications provide this information.
The only regulations specific to use of weapons imposed by the Forest Service is that you cannot discharge a weapon within 150 yards of any structure/development or occupied area, within or into a cave, across or on a road or body of water, or in any manner that endangers a person. You also cannot use any tracer or incendiary ammunition. Forest Service regulations require that you also comply with all State laws regarding the use of firearms while hunting.
If you are planning on visiting a designated Wilderness Area, the Regional Forester or Forest Supervisor has the option to implement a special local order which additionally prohibits the mere possession of a firearm within that Wilderness Area. Although this prohibition is not common, you should contact the Forest Supervisor's office to find out whether such a restriction has been imposed.
We encourage you to use designated shooting areas or ranges. However, if you choose to shoot in an undesignated area, please ensure that your shooting does not damage any facilities or natural resources, disrupt other uses, or endanger public safety, and ensure you remove any targets, wads, shells, brass and other refuse with you when you leave. Be sure your shooting target area is free of rocks, as wildfires have resulting from sparks from ricochets. Be responsible for your action and follow outdoor ethics, in other words always, Leave No Trace and Tread Lightly! on federal lands.
It is also a good idea regardless, just to contact the local Forest Service District or Forest Offices in advance of your visit to ask the same question, as they are more aware of local ranges and other opportunities, local orders or restrictions, issues and special conditions that may affect you.
Enjoy your visit to our National Forests.
Jamie Schwartz, Shooting Sports Liaison, USDA Forest Service
I believe when Skeeter said "in the USFS" he meant "[working for] the USFS", not just an ordinary 'merican spending time on National Forest System lands.
FrozenNorth, post: 454713, member: 10219 wrote: I believe when Skeeter said "in the USFS" he meant "[working for] the USFS", not just an ordinary 'merican spending time on National Forest System lands.
Ordinary 'merican's can make it extremely hazardous to your health if you happen to be a sign here in AK on our USFS lands, or just about anywhere for that matter.
Williwaw, post: 454716, member: 7066 wrote: Ordinary 'merican's can make it extremely hazardous to your health if you happen to be a sign here in AK on our USFS lands, or just about anywhere for that matter.
🙁 Man I hate seeing shot up signs. Such a disgrace.
foggyidea, post: 454550, member: 155 wrote: what's a cc license? I have a ltc (license to carry), but I don't know what a cc license is? Carry Concealed?
Yes. Concealed Carry. Many states now reciprocate cc license from other states. But check the list. My Virginia cc is accepted in PA, but I can't drive across Maryland with it concealed on the way there. I don't go north very much, so I'm not sure what MA has to say about it.
Williwaw, post: 454716, member: 7066 wrote: Ordinary 'merican's can make it extremely hazardous to your health if you happen to be a sign here in AK on our USFS lands, or just about anywhere for that matter.
Game hogs like that are the reason oil cans are extinct
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James Fleming, post: 454730, member: 136 wrote: Game hogs like that are the reason oil cans are extinct...
Some okies still like to shoot at 'cans...but they're a completely different kind...;)
Webbed feet, post: 454473, member: 10038 wrote: I tend to carry more in urban areas than the woods.
I tend to avoid urban areas
Licensed Land Surveyor
Finger Lakes Region, Upstate New York
We were doing a big project ten years ago on a large ranch near Laredo by the border. When we got there the landowner asked us if we had guns and we said no. He said you will need them and went inside and came back out with a revolver and told us to keep it with us. Lots of problems with illegals and drug trafficking in the area. We never had any problems but it was crazy we were at least 15 miles from pavement and we would routinely see illegals wandering around in the brush.
Drilldo, post: 455039, member: 8604 wrote: We were doing a big project ten years ago on a large ranch near Laredo by the border. When we got there the landowner asked us if we had guns and we said no. He said you will need them and went inside and came back out with a revolver and told us to keep it with us. Lots of problems with illegals and drug trafficking in the area. We never had any problems but it was crazy we were at least 15 miles from pavement and we would routinely see illegals wandering around in the brush.
That reminds me of the joke;
The High School I went to was tough. It was so tough, that to get in they frisked you for weapons.......
.....and if you didn't have any they'd give you one.
AKSteve, post: 454712, member: 765 wrote: Edit: I was trying to quote Skeeter's post.
This didn't sound right to me, so I looked it up. Following is from the USFS site:
Shooting sports activities have been enjoyed for generations and are welcomed on National Forest System lands.
Both state and federal laws apply on National Forest System lands, so you also need to check on the state laws and county ordinances which may apply to the area you will be visiting. You also need to be in compliance with any general federal laws and regulations about weapons (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), etc). The National Rifle Association of America (NRA) and many commercial publications provide this information.
The only regulations specific to use of weapons imposed by the Forest Service is that you cannot discharge a weapon within 150 yards of any structure/development or occupied area, within or into a cave, across or on a road or body of water, or in any manner that endangers a person. You also cannot use any tracer or incendiary ammunition. Forest Service regulations require that you also comply with all State laws regarding the use of firearms while hunting.
If you are planning on visiting a designated Wilderness Area, the Regional Forester or Forest Supervisor has the option to implement a special local order which additionally prohibits the mere possession of a firearm within that Wilderness Area. Although this prohibition is not common, you should contact the Forest Supervisor's office to find out whether such a restriction has been imposed.
We encourage you to use designated shooting areas or ranges. However, if you choose to shoot in an undesignated area, please ensure that your shooting does not damage any facilities or natural resources, disrupt other uses, or endanger public safety, and ensure you remove any targets, wads, shells, brass and other refuse with you when you leave. Be sure your shooting target area is free of rocks, as wildfires have resulting from sparks from ricochets. Be responsible for your action and follow outdoor ethics, in other words always, Leave No Trace and Tread Lightly! on federal lands.
It is also a good idea regardless, just to contact the local Forest Service District or Forest Offices in advance of your visit to ask the same question, as they are more aware of local ranges and other opportunities, local orders or restrictions, issues and special conditions that may affect you.
Enjoy your visit to our National Forests.
Jamie Schwartz, Shooting Sports Liaison, USDA Forest Service
I was referring to Forest Service
FrozenNorth, post: 454713, member: 10219 wrote: I believe when Skeeter said "in the USFS" he meant "[working for] the USFS", not just an ordinary 'merican spending time on National Forest System lands.
Yep I meant working for them. Ever see a Forest Ranger with a gun?
Skeeter1996, post: 455090, member: 9224 wrote:
Ever see a Forest Ranger with a gun?
Yup - there are many armed forest rangers.
Skeeter1996, post: 455090, member: 9224 wrote: I was referring to Forest Service
Yep I meant working for them. Ever see a Forest Ranger with a gun?
Yes there are many forest rangers that carry weapons when enforcing laws on public lands.
They use SWAT style gear when necessary.
