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(@rpage)
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Just curious how long folks have had to wait to receive board approval to take the state specific legal exam for your comity application to an adjacent state. This is approval to SIT for, not final grading of the state exam. Iƒ??m licensed in 2 adjacent states and still waiting after a year. Is this normal?

 
Posted : 20/04/2023 2:55 am
(@murphy)
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I've found no similarities between states but two months was the longest wait for comments pertaining to my application for licensure by comity.

Are they not answering your calls?  You might need to visit their office in person.

Maine was the worst for me.  The lady, Kimberly I think, didn't even pretend she cared about me or the application process.  When I was fed up and requested to speak with her supervisor, she just laughed and gave me the contact of an administrator who never returned my calls or emails.  

 

 

 
Posted : 20/04/2023 3:07 am
(@jim-oneil)
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Rhode Island was About a year, Massachusetts is still going on three years. They are responsive, but seems like they try their best to hold you up. 
just my 2 cents

 
Posted : 20/04/2023 3:44 am
 jph
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Agree with Murphy - there's no consistency.  I've complained here before that NY took a year and a half to get approved.  No idea what the hell's going on there.  They do not look at your years being licensed as evidence that you have their required number of years experience

 
Posted : 20/04/2023 3:46 am
(@jflamm)
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Usually, in my experience, it aligns with the Board meetings.  Although I'm not quite sure what's going on in WY.  I applied and took the initial exam, which I think was just on Ethics. Then I was told that they would go over my application and the test results at the next Board meeting and get back to me on taking the state specific.  Been crickets for two years.  I've reached out a couple times but haven't gotten a response.  

 
Posted : 20/04/2023 4:42 am
(@kevin-hines)
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It depends... I recommend making the call to ensure your application was received and on the Board's agenda for review/comment/approval.

 
Posted : 20/04/2023 6:07 am
(@holy-cow)
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You all are making me feel brilliant for focusing on only one State.  What you describe is outrageous and anti-business.

 
Posted : 20/04/2023 6:29 am
(@peter-lothian)
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Rhode Island was About a year, Massachusetts is still going on three years. They are responsive, but seems like they try their best to hold you up. 
just my 2 cents

You might want to push a little harder to get some resolution on this. From 250 CMR - see number (7) at the end:

3.03: Application Review and Evaluation
M.G.L.
c. 112 obligates the Board to review and consider an applicant's education,
performance on required examinations, relevant Work Experience, and references. The Board
cannot process applications if an applicant is unable to submit sufficient supporting Evidence
related to the foregoing.

(1)
Each application must be reviewed and approved by at least two members of the Board. A
denial of an application requires a majority vote of the Board.

(2)
If the required Reference Questionnaires are not received by the Board within three months
the applicant will be so advised. If not received within six months, the application will be
rejected.

(3)
If any deficiency in an application, including supplemental information requested by the
Board, is not remedied within three months after notice of such deficiency is mailed to the
applicant, the Board will act on the basis of the available information.

(4)
Final Board action is based on the documented qualifications of the applicant.

(5) An application indicating that the applicant has been practicing engineering or surveying
in violation of the law will be investigated and prosecuted if warranted.

(6)
All application materials are maintained in compliance with the public records law. Samples
of work included with application are destroyed after action by the Board.

(7)
Applications that remain dormant for a period of three years or more will automatically
lapse.

 
One approach would be to attend a monthly public meeting of the board. Such attendence is a rare thing, and they may ask why you decided to pay them a visit. You could answer, politely, that you were hoping to find out if you can get that application resolved, one way or another, before it lapses automatically. Bring your copy of the application and supporting documentation, just in case they don't have it close to hand.

 

 
Posted : 20/04/2023 8:25 am
(@jitterboogie)
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ugh.  this sucks. every time I read posts like this referring to lack of participation lack of input lack of doing anything makes me feel like at some point we deserve to be pushed out of business because if the people on the board or any of these boards don't have time to do what's required by the statutes then they need to step down and back away let the egos go and let it fall where it falls.

I don't care if the governors of the states are causing problems if we don't stand up for the profession and that means by not being tied to inefficient insufficient and non-participant board members and no way to vote them out because it's an appointment generally even though it's a volunteer position then we deserve to be pushed out of business.

there needs to be some way that the profession itself through the statutes can eliminate and remove board members that don't participate family emergencies aside that kind of stuff makes sense but you should never have to wait even a quarter for them to refer to something and if you do again it's not it's not okay this is got to stop this is one of the reasons this profession is being pushed out because we're allowing people that don't do their work to be part of the process to validate the work and that just doesn't work at all.

 

at the very least a helicopter A&P mechanic has to get in a helicopter and fly with the first pilot that flies it to reassure them that they know that it's been done right maybe we need to do something similar.

 

all I can think of is this train keeps getting faster and faster until the train is going to run off the tracks or destroy the ballast beneath the tracks because no one seems to be caring enough to care enough to do anything...

it sucks that you're having a way to get your license validated that's part of the problem is that no one cares enough I'm sorry man that sucks.

 
Posted : 20/04/2023 9:33 am
(@ric-moore)
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California Board has time frames specified in laws and have to report average timeframes for reviewing applications to the legislature on a regular basis.  Not saying we don't have some issues meeting the goal timeframes at times, but at least we have a target goal which is transparent to the applicants.  Not sure if the other states have that or not.

 
Posted : 20/04/2023 2:46 pm
(@jmcnicholspls)
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@peter-lothian I am shocked, shocked I say.  Sorry for the sarcasm Peter.  I would hope Board inaction would not allow an application to lapse.  If you have submitted a complete application it should be moved forward as a ministerial action.  If I were the applicant I would look at the minutes.  The minutes list interviewed applicants by an applicant number.  If you know your applicant number you will have a good idea if you have been passed over.  Good luck I have been waiting ten years for an advisory ruling.

 
Posted : 20/04/2023 4:17 pm
(@fairbanksls)
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The lengthy approval times are understandable taking into consideration the average age of registrants in the US.  It’s not like in a few years the profession won’t be able to fulfill the public’s need for surveying services.

 
Posted : 20/04/2023 4:28 pm
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