"I am going to try this latest firmware update. "
That's an excellent idea that nobody here had. Definitely worth a try.
Well the firmware update finished successfully. I had to run in to the office and borrow the cable from SX12 (good thing we have one) since there is no cable included with the s series to do the updates. I might get a chance to set it up and try it today. If it does help with semi active measurement speed then I will let the other 2 crews know to update their firmware also.
I snapped a picture as it was loading "3/7 : tracker" since the engineers quoted on the previous page mentioned that it could be the tracker in the instrument itself. Maybe it was a firmware issue in the tracker, that they were not aware of or were not at liberty to mention. I definitely got excited when I saw "tracker". Fingers crossed!
<div>Video shows the length of a semi active measurement in angles and distance mode. I posted a similar video like a year ago, but it was outdoors in a normal work environment. Here in the office with a stable mt1000 target on a shelf the shots complete in a hair under 7 seconds, so exactly as Jim Cox stated. If on a pole, especially without a bipod the shots will be between 7 and 10 seconds. </div>
So unfortunately, the firmware update did not make a difference. If those engineers could come up with a suggestion that could help with this instrument and the other s5 and s7, all running different versions of access on different tsc7's with different MT1000 prisms, I would love to hear it, but I won't be holding my breath.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/NqbFXxnaFuhMCaPR7
I had forgotten about this setting until I tried it again today. Can you tell me what yours is set to? Mine is set to 0.003m standard deviation and I tried it at 0.010m and it didn't make any difference. It still takes 8 seconds to shoot in semi active. I tried this way back near the start of using this robot and when it didn't make any difference I forgot all about it. This is my last attempt to make this thing shoot faster but it looks like the conclusion is that if you want the extra accuracy of semi active mode with the mt1000 then the shot will take at least 7 seconds.
Why are you shooting a prism in DR mode. DR is for prism less shots like to bldg corners etc.
I am headed out of town next week. Will be layout iron pins for two weeks straight. I will see how it goes and see what all settings the crews have. I asked them about this before and they couldn’t see what you were seeing and still seeing. But i will try and reproduce while i am helping a crew chief. We have TSC7 and Trimble Access and S5 robot. Now I hardly ever stake out in Standard mode. TRK is perfect for almost anything on things that need to be tight i just let it settle a bit before recording the measurement. Maybe snap some more pics of your settings like survey style etc. is there a reason you are staking in S mode. Or topo or whatever instead of TRK. For edm. I understand when traversing and such.
Not in dr mode. The settings for it just happen to be right next to the prism settings for standard deviation. Might be hard to see because of the glare but it's set to the mt1000 active prism.
To be honest, I don't trust just storing in trk mode. Shooting an actual measurement can change the results by occasionally half of what my 0.010m tolerance is, so I would rather the extra accuracy.<div>
I appreciate you checking out their settings. Specifically the standard deviation (although I confirmed that doesn't seem to affect the time for a measurement on my specific robot at least), and the prism settings for the MT1000. It is likely either in active mode, as opposed to semi active, or they are just storing in tracking. Since Trimble themselves recommends semi active mode, that's what I preferred to use. I do switch it to active mode if I really don't need the extra accuracy.
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I will check it out for sure next week. I have tighter tolerances than that on this job .02 ft Horizontal. I have no vertical to worry about. But will play around some.
Ok sorry for the delay. We been busting it on this job lots of rebars and aluminum caps. So this old man is tired. We have a .02 ft tolerance. Staking across traffic like very busy road. We have been staking it both ways and even measured 4 rounds to one after we set it. Because DOT requires it if we set on it to set another point from. So far two crews both s5 tsc7. And only looking through some magnolia leaves did we get any error staking and checking from other points. Using the edm in trk mode. Semi active no 7” period. We are using a bi pod and letting it settle before finaly accepting the point so we can read the book of info in the code to write the novel on the 4 ft stakes front and back. I will check again tomorrow. But we just couldn’t replicate what you are seeing. We have 2021.10. The other crew is 2023.10. The latest version. We ran through all the adjustments on guns and are pounding away.
But you just said you were just storing in the tracking mode, so semi active mode is irrelevant if you're not actually shooting. Just humour me and actually press the measure button. I understand if you're shooting from 2 setups on every point, then I wouldn't worry so much about actually measuring. Everyone has different comfort levels with things. Many guys on here would refuse to use the mt1000 for what we're talking about and once again that means the measurement will only take a few seconds, you just have to he sure you didn't just shoot a fluorescent vest or something.
I've only been at this for 10 years (I'm 40 now) but much of my first few years was running an old conventional Leica where there was no autolock. Everything had to be sighted in and actually measured. I know the equipment has improved a lot but I have personally seen where someone had a completely blown shot storing in tracking (a Sokkia robot with the rc5) and I just don't feel comfortable unless I've measured it. Also you said 0.006m tolerance...I have occasionally seen my staking results change by almost that much when I measured in semi active. Not frequently, using only a couple mm but it can differ by the amount of your tolerance.
I did it the same way as you as well. Thats what i meant is I checked it and no matter which way i did this it was all about the same. You can hit enter measure soft key etc. yes we primarily stay in TRK mode for most everything when staking but i could set up bipod accept store write down results. Change to std mode semi active mode re stake out same point measure it never took as long as what you show. Maybe a smidging longer but out of 20 points different distances it was all less than 4”. We both timed it. My crew chief has ran almost nothing but the s series and trimble survey controller to trimble access since the s6 came out. I am almost 50. Ran everything from wild t1 to s series geodometers wild total stations topcon leica etc. all i can say is the issues you are seeing is not what i am seeing this week . Trying to replicate what you see. Why who knows. But I tried to replicate.
We only have an S6 and nothing like the posted excessive times have shown up. I asked the field crews and they scoffed even at the idea. Can't speak to the S5, seems odd they would be so different.
Okay, I misunderstood you then. Thought you were running in tracking. So the only person to confirm this so far has been an actual Trimble employee, who is likely using a very new s5 also. So it may have changed. I hope the guys that scoffed at the idea get a new robot and then see what I'm talking about. Lol.
I have looked at the video you posted and I don't think there is anything out of the ordinary with this instrument. The time looks about the same as my S6 in Semi Active mode standard measurement (S). I think it takes 3-5 measurements (can be adjusted in the settings). Passive or Active measurements are a couple of seconds faster. I shoot my control in the standard mode (S) as per the video. Topo shots are shot in tracking mode (T) i.e. instant measurement. Works for me.
