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(@daikini)
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3.5p5 firmware handles 2019 GPS week number rollover event.

https://www.topconpositioning.com/gpsrollover#

New GNSS receivers offer insane performance and, especially thanks to Android data collectors, there's so much higher culture of operation like immediate start, rich visualisations, really friendly interface and easy sharing methods. But it is also very cool to use obsolete devices as they evoke not only nostalgia feeling but also feeling of wonder. Every next generation of survey grade equipment is weaker in regards of longevity and more fragile because manufacturers discovered forced obsolescence in the meantime, a method to drain people more often. So let's appreciate and admire devices from the era when equipment was designed as if it was to serve the surveyor throughout his whole professional life.

 

 
Posted : 16/03/2023 9:02 pm
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@daikini Asbsolutely Poetic!

 

Insane performance, it's all i can do to keep up with the old regular performance 🙂 !  If it's got fixed solution before i can mount it on a tripod, get the data coll., and screw the gps rod together, i don't know if i'll see any of that. Now, tree cover, i see some potential there, but from memory i haven't had any issues with lack of precision lock since Glonass - 2006ish - thats almost 20 years. i'm not speaking of thick wooded boundary work, but sitework generally, in somewhat open conditions. Ya know, you can set the quality down to say 3 feet, instead of 0.03' and mark Clearing, and have the dozers open it up like they have to do anyway. What good did it do to mark it to the inch with 7 constellations. I think the equipment manufacturers and sales teams moreso, are in a race to sell the latest greatest, whether you need it or not. That appears to be true with Everything that generates a dollar. Including the services "We" provide. (Look we did this work for you with cutting edge equipment, we need $ to compensate...) 

'Feeling of wonder' ... yeah, wonder if it's goin power on.... lol

''thoughout his whole prof. life'  ...  let's hope his/her life and career are longer than that 10 year battery we're seeking truth about! kidding of course, and it Can be a (3) 15 year batteries, as long as it can be replaced.

Not sure i'm up on the Android thing. I haven't seen The major players in the GPS Engineering/Construction Industry embracing Android as yet.  What i see is Windows 10/11 os tablet/PC oriented. I haven't seen Bentley or Autodesk running on Android tablets (i may be living under a rock). Maybe i see what i want to see - I'm still not over Android replacing my Windows Phones - With, what 'Seems' to be an open source, freeware, OS for the masses. When i think Android, i see amazon firesticks, Google TV boxes, and Phones with every Joe/Judy thumbing their life away Playing on a phone -Or about to kill me, going home - Texting in My Lane of Traffic at 55mph.

I'm, just joining in on the conversation, and not taking punches at your statements, just throwing around thoughts, and i did mean what i said, and not in a Sarcastic way -

- Poetic.

 
Posted : 17/03/2023 11:44 am
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Or Who does repair on these hipers?? 

I would send them to Deaton's Geo-tronix located between Nashville and Chattanooga. I've known Troy Deaton since his days at Hayes Instrument Co. They still work on Hipers and even my 20 year old Topcon robot.

 

 
Posted : 17/03/2023 6:44 pm
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I can not access any newer firmware to download.  Would someone be willing to send me the working 3.4, or 3.5 firmware to play with?  I have a few of the old receivers that quit working and I would like to see if I can resurrect them before I donate or sell them.  Right now they are simply paperweights.

 

Thanks much!

 
Posted : 19/03/2023 1:35 pm
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@gripsz 

I have an account, but all of the receivers are end-of-life, so I dont see how to download the file.  I should have updated them years ago, but I am in the camp of if it works, don't break it - not the greatest of ideas I see now.

 

Just thought I would try to toss a newer firmware file in before I toss these receivers.  I have on old Legacy - HiPer RTK kit, an extra Hiper, and several Odyssey heads.

 

I figure if I can get newer firmware in there, someone may be able to sue them for OPUS.

 
Posted : 19/03/2023 3:39 pm
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Not sure i'm up on the Android thing. I haven't seen The major players in the GPS Engineering/Construction Industry embracing Android as yet.

Mayor players develop their field data software on windows platforms from 20 years, so they are not happy to move on.

Current Leica controller, CS20 is vintage device with obsolete specs, weight 1.1 kg, 2GB RAM, 4GB ROM, 1GHZ Processor from 2007 rok, 5” 800x400 display and Windows Embeded 7 OS. It costs about 4200 USD so you can have like 3.5 new DELL XPS business grade laptops for it, LOL.

Mayor players try to sell their old solutions as long as possible and this is the only reason they still push Windows devices into market.

At this point, the mayor player, Trimble, ported their Access software to Android. Topcon has also Magnet Field for Android.

 
Posted : 21/03/2023 1:40 am
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@toivo1037 

" 3.4, or 3.5 firmware to play with"   you don't, or i didn't see, you mention what receivers (models) you are trying to update. You need to connect them to PC and use pccdu or tru and find out what Receiver board you are using. you can't just load 3.4 or 3.5 if it's not for the particular board or model receiver. If it wasn't on the list i linked you, it's not developed, or supported. the topcon site is pretty specific on which download you need. 'generally' if they worked for you at one time, they should still work, void hardware issues. A firmware update isn't going to bring them out of a trance and make them new or even work. i can say from exp., jumping on a newer firmware can make them NOT work, and only going back to older firmware can bring back operation. i wouldn't say that's the norm. but i Know it Can happen.

 
Posted : 21/03/2023 10:30 am
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@daikini 

like i said, i may be emerging from rock... 

'At this point, the mayor player, Trimble, ported their Access software to Android. Topcon has also Magnet Field for Android.'

yeah, and windows will run google android apps, and android can run windows, IOS on android, windows on IOS, , on and on..   Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying you're wrong/off base.

But, Thats not what i'm Seeing. The Local Trimble reps here, just Demoed their setup (or what they are selling) a few days ago. All to work alongside their machine control, satellite recievers, base & rovers. Data Collection was TSC7 with windows 10 pro, trimble site works or something works. And it works along with their office software they sell, that, i'm pretty sure, isn't running on a $99 Chromebook. i was too busy tryin to figure out who, in their right mind, is gonna want that gigantic hammerhead (TSC7) hooked to a pole, walking around. (no offense to all yawl that bought one)! Oh, you could see all the little 3d triangle from the surface model, where the dozerblade is going to, Miraculously, find it's way to Cut or Fill 10 feet!! of dirt, where a curb island goes.....   And As far as Topcon, and Magnet - The equipment dealers we see will not Touch Android. Was told No, they won't Sell you, or Support, Anything that doesn't run on Windows 10/11. That has been about a year, so, maybe they got that rock off of them. And lastly Carlson. I can't find any software or hardware, gps, data coll., office suites, that Don't use Windows. The Android i have seen seems to be for proprietary chinese branded satellite recievers. (they aren't getting supported by carlson, topcon, trimble, etal., so, what else can they use, but android). H* cheap chinese phones lock into 4+ constellations, with approx. location, Now, without effort. I would think android already has it's paws all over the gps/location/software scene. But not in a Precision, Professional Setting - Mainstream way, as of yet. I'm not an Expert - For all i know the gps receivers themselves run on it. To those that enjoy not paying an arm and a leg for Good Tech, i'm sure it will be a welcomed trend. Everything Has Evolved, but, If you Simplify things, the 'competing' platforms are still DOS vs. UNIX. Same battle we had in the 1980's. Except reversed, back then, Unix had the stranglehold on High end industry and Dos was for the masses. I gotta feeling MAC is feeling left out of this 'discussion' (i'm glad).... 🙂

 
Posted : 21/03/2023 12:14 pm
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