one more time...
the FS....IS TO SHOW ONLY MINIMAL COMPETENCY.
The PLS and state specific can address the regional and even finer grains of sand.
@jitterboogie Are you really contending that the FS exam is too difficult??ÿ I mean, come on...
My PS exam (Dec 2016) had a question regarding the meaning of the acronym LEED.
Does anyone find this relevant to the practice of land surveying?
When I prepared to sit for the California Land Surveyor-in-Training exam in about 1985 (long before any National exams - now is the FS), mentors provided me with materials to study and problems to solve. When I opened the test booklet, the very first question was "Dendrology is important to surveyors because" (multiple choice). I thought I got the wrong test (multiple exams going on at the same facility). Fortunately, I knew the answer because I had dated a Forestry major in college and she was taking dendrology at the time. So if this is a dumb question for the FS, which I don't think it is, it has been around for close to 40 years.
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let's make becoming a USFS certified Sawyer part of the license.?ÿ seems to fit where people want the job to go.
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Nope.
unless you're an architect or a designer engineer. No one cares when we're staking grid bolts or dipping manholes.
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I think I've got a decent handle on what the FS exam is for.?ÿ I dare say possibly even at least as much as you.?ÿ One more time, it is a national exam and perhaps the countless professionals (not an evil cartel of psychologist trying to do some mind tricks to you) who have developed the exam over many years are aware of what is minimally needed in terms of a broad range of locations and specific practice areas.
In case you are not aware (and your response to me makes it appear so), the PPS exam is also a national exam which will have to cover a broad range of expertise that just perhaps you do not believe to be appropriate to your surveying career.?ÿ But, those other areas of knowledge in that exam may just apply for some of the other people besides you who are taking the same nation wide exam when you have to take it.
absolutely not.?ÿ I'm only making a point of irrelevant information and the intentional misdirection applied to the test when all we're doing is showing minimum competency.
that's all.
Not trying to lower the bar.?ÿ
But, be that as it may, this career field is dying. just look at the numbers.
@david-kendall Since there are surveyors who will go on to work within the building industry alongside folks who are heavily into getting LEED certification for buildings, I wouldn't consider that to be an outlandish question on the PPS exam.?ÿ Just a part of doing business with other professions - being somewhat versed in their language.
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Now if they had asked you to write out a variety of items that would gain points towards LEED Silver certification, that would be a different matter.
Tree leaf patterns aren't relevant to closing a traverse, proportioning and double proportioning, astrological measurements, sine cosine tangent etc.
it's a little obtuse part of someone's opinion of what should be on the test, that's all.
kind of like Trimble adding the rs232 port to a TSC7.?ÿ?ÿ
and you have a command of the test, you've passed and moved on to license.?ÿ I'm just trying to show minimum competency.
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@jitterboogie To get a bit philosophical about it, how is it that you could even know what should be covered on the test??ÿ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
absolutely not.?ÿ I'm only making a point of irrelevant information and the intentional misdirection applied to the test when all we're doing is showing minimum competency.
I'm not sure that you're in a position to define what minimum competency should entail.
@jitterboogie Several people have already pointed out to you what the relevance of tree identification is.?ÿ Your decision to ignore that information for your own view of the world is your choice to make.
There really isn't anything "obtuse" about a fairly significant number of licensed professionals collaboratively developing an exam that is their collective opinion of what should be in the general body of knowledge for someone seeking licensure.
If/when you become licensed, I would hope that you will volunteer your time to serve on the relevant committees to shape the exam so that it will cover only those items that you deem to be the minimal knowledge needed across the entire country.
I'll buy the first beer.
Thats how i approach all tests first, then I have to get serious. ?????ÿ
