JPH, post: 368862, member: 6636 wrote: ...I'm less annoyed at someone today who hasn't learned cursive than I am at some of these idiots from years ago, who wrote these fancy yet somewhat illegible documents that need to be relied upon forever.
I couldn't disagree more.
Survey and engineering field notes (remember those) pretty much killed my mediocre cursive writing skill, but I truly appreciated the quality and readability of those who took the time.
Steve
Cursive writing flowed on to the paper. I have no doubt a good scrivener could cursively write twice as many words as printing. That being said I found that in taking notes in college classes my cursive writing left too much to the imagination. Most of my notes ended up as 50% cursive, 50% text. I have no idea exactly how or why I did it but I can read all those notes yet today.
I had penmanship in elementary school but could write in cursive before I attended kindergarten and would be disciplined from time to time for not printing assignments.
Now a days it takes me 3 times as long to pen a letter as to print it, but there are times when it can not be equaled for impact. Nephews and nieces some times need to ask their parents to read holiday cards, but that does not deter me.
BW, I never heard the word "cursive" in referring to writing in all my years in school.
Paul in PA
I have often thought that I will write all of my job applications in cursive. If you can not read it to fill it out you have Zero chance of being an employee of mine. The only position in Surveying for a person that can not read cursive is a line cutter but I can probably find someone more qualified. Definitely a pet peeve of mine!
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Much like the buggy whip industry, cursive writing is rapidly disappearing for much more than signatures. Personally, I find that to be very sad. The character of the author can be seen in cursive writing.
What really adds to the fun is the really old cursive that is written by people who were born and educated in other countries before immigrating to the U.S. You know, back when an "s" in the middle of a world was made to look like a cursive "f" from today's writing. Back when draft was spelled as draught. Back when monetary exchanges listed pounds and shillings and pence.
I went from elementary school, where I was deducted marks for not using cursive, to survey school where my classmates were deducted marks for using cursive.
From school I can remember that getting all the answers correct got you a grade of 90 and the other 10pts were gained by penmanship, neatness and organizational skills.
Cursive writing is an art and a measure of muscle control that everyone varies at and is something everyone needs to develop.
Apart from that, my signature looks more like an elaborate, singular scrawl and unreadable mark.
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Eliminating cursive from our knowledge base cuts off access to hundreds of years of data. Thinking less of those who learned and used it with almost no educational infrastructure doesn't make sense either.
Perhaps it is my age, but I see this disdain for all things less than modern as a really bad thing. Embrace the new but for the love of all things holy don't discard tools and techniques simply because they are old. Learn the history first. See the usefulness first. Respect those who broke that ground, because we all ride the coattails of their work...
Knowing how to read cursive is considerably more important than how to write with it. For a land surveyor, it is as essential a skill as knowing Hawaiian to understanding old Hawaiian property records. In Texas, of course, there are other skills required to read some old instruments:
But thank heavens for the Xerox Corporation and FAX MACHINES:
BTW, for the folks who will be taking the next Texas exam, that would be (without the diacritical marks):
"varas hasta una estaca donde se formo mojonera
con un Pino de Seis pulgadas de grueso rumbo al
Oriente de la estaca 50 eslabones con otro Pino de
24 Pulgadas rumbo al Norte 100 eslabones y continuan-
do con tierra de Garcon para el Sur tomando la se-
gunda medida para el Norte cruzando el Camino Prin-
cipal y el Arroyo de Nacosote diez mil varas hasta
una estaca se hizo mojonera con un Nogal de 24
pulgadas rumbo al Oriente 50 eslabones con un En-
cino Colorado de 20 pulgadas rumbo al Norte
60 eslabones colindando con tierra baldia para el Po-
niente Y tomande la tercera medida rumbo al Ori[ente]"
My parochial school Palmer Method penmanship was never all that good. Maybe it was the ultra-discipline of the nuns threatening and enacting corporal punishment and other verbal denigration. I am embarrassed to this day about my writing.
Our son about 6 years ago or so in 2nd grade asked about cursive. They had stopped teaching it at the public elementary. We showed him cursive and he was interested in it. He thought it was cool like a secret code writing. We briefly home schooled him in cursive. He would read some and write some. We left him notes in cursive and birthday and other cards. We let him do exercises on his own and then he found another interest for home study. I asked at school why did they stop teaching cursive and the reply was the time was better relegated to math or science. I guess topics that show on standardized testing scores.
Truth be told now, he has excellent printing kills. I saw his Jr HS science notes recently and they were neat, organized and extremely legible. I was impressed.
I know the politician who introduced this bill and from association, I have a good hunch of the surveyor mentioned in the news item.
I was missing a field note description for a survey adjoining my subject tract so I called the repository to have it read to me. The young lady who answered the phone struggled for several minutes to get through the description which was printed in what I though was fairly legible script dating to 1888. I had the adjoining field notes, so I was able to help her with some of the harder monument references like, "hill" and "El Capitan". I couldn't help but wonder how old she is and whether she has previously had much exposure to cursive.
When I was a little kid first learning to write like a big person, I misheard and thought it was called the curse of writing.
Unfortunately cursive is no longer taught in New York public schools, so if either of my boys want to follow in my foot steps,?ÿ my wife and I will have to teach them cursive. In rural areas, I only have to go back a few deeds to find a hand written description.
There is the type where the entire document was transcribed into the deed book by the county clerk, then there is the type where the standard printed form is filled in handwritten, typically in cursive. The latter type can be found today everywhere.?ÿ ?ÿ?ÿ
Tip: for those documents written in cursive. A lot of times I will type them out as I read them and just leave underscores for words/numbers I cannot yet determine. Then staple a print of that to the back or add it as a second page on the PDF file. That way next time I need to read it, I can MUCH faster.?ÿ
Never thought of it this way, but it could be a service I provide to younger surveyors that can't read cursive.?ÿ
