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@wa-id-surveyor
you couldn’t work here. youd be blowing up budgets worse than I do.
Ask the SUE people ‘who is going into the manhole without any safety gear because it wasn’t budgeted’. See what they say.
@jitterboogie back in my younger days I had the misfortune of starting a survey department in one of a very large transportation engineering firm. Getting started I was working both in the field and in the office.
One afternoon one of the engineering senior project managers walked into my office and handed me a binder. I’ll never forget his words as he stood over me looking quite proud of himself, “look this over, we were short listed for this project, you need to know and be able to speak to the survey end at an interview we have next Friday”.
It took me about 4 hours to read over the project scope and think of my plan of attacking it, it was a fast paced DOT interstate project that led into Philly. I had known nothing of the proposal before it was handed tome and had zero input into it. When I read the survey related aspects of it, prepared entirely by this proud engineer who had never surveyed in his life, I was furious.
More than a few things in it made me fly off the handle. The first being that all the work was night work, about a years worth of it, and one crew was budgeted. No lighting towers were included, no impact attenuators or Police were included, the whole safety plan consisted of the DOT setting out cones and moving them on a daily basis. I would become married to the budget that was allocated to survey work and it was impossible to do the work for what was quoted.
At the end of the day, I went home and thought it over, stewing on it all night. I talked it over with my wife as she was a nurse and happened to work the night shift so I could take care of our two year old daughter while she was working and she could do the same while I was working. At the end of the conversation her final words on the topic were “you do what you need to do but we need you alive, money isn’t everything”.
The next morning I walked in, gather my stuff and quit the only job I ever had in my life that didn’t have me leaving on good terms. The ironic part is that three days later I landed a better job a few buildings away in the same office complex.
@wa-id-surveyor
they were the ones complaining about no traffic control, so my guess is what you’d expect. F That!
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@wa-id-surveyor
you couldn’t work here. youd be blowing up budgets worse than I do.
I’m lucky enough to set all survey budgets in our office of 30.
I deeply appreciate your integrity, if I was licensed or even LSIT it would be a bigger impact. We had two PLS leave within a week of each other completely unknown between themselves, but management would have had to know due to the notice they gave.
That’s spoke volumes about the behind the scenes here and definitely perked up my ears.
ugh.
I just moved less than 6 months ago….???
- Posted by: @jitterboogie
Anyone looking to expand into the Colorado marketplace?
PM sent
- Posted by: @jitterboogie
..you’re told to just go use a Cone and your truck in a busy 4 lane state highway with center and side turn lanes as traffic control.
Quit on the spot and call Morgan and Morgan or any other legal outfit that bombards you with commercials. Whoever told you to do that may not realize they put the whole company in financial jeapordy.????
thanks for your out reach. response sent.
@dougie
When Winston Churchill was criticized for a dangling preposition, his response was:
??This is the type of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put.?
On a lighter note, you could remind the boss that the equipment is at risk, too. His (proper pronoun?) response would say much about his priorities.
The project management engineers that would set the project budget at the last DOT that I worked at would ask the lead locations surveyor for an estimate of time for the survey (and most times they didn’t know how much they really needed), then decide that it was to much and cut it down without telling said surveyor, next thing you know the head engineer is berating the surveyor for taking too long. That surveyor decided to retire and put in his notice a couple days later. To the best of my knowledge they still can’t fill that position, been over a year.
sounds familiar
who would want to work like that?
Just like a surveyor isn’t going to tell an engineer how to design and scope a grade beam and decide materials needed, so should engineers not be scoping survey work because the one lab or even a semester of Surveying they did isn’t a ticket to know anything about scoping survey work.
(mic set lightly on a padded stool for Bill)
Listen up business owners. DO NOT ASK YOUR PEOPLE TO DO THINGS YOU WOULD NOT HAVE DONE ON YOUR BEST DAY WHEN YOU WERE DOING FIELD WORK. Don’t say you used to do something regularly but can’t because you are too old or too crippled to do it yourself, now. The truth is, you never did it.
already told:
we have insurance for stolen equipment.
I should ask:
What’s the company get in claims when I get hit and killed versus injured?
like student loans, they probably have a policy that pays for us just in case we do die….
you more than anyone here might know that answer. ????
And even if you did do stupid stuff, that’s the past.
We don’t have to do it that way anymore.
Someday we’ll be saying that about dipping manholes, but not likely in the near future.
Sounds very familiar.
PM would always slash the survey budget to land a project and say that it was fine because the company would make it up on the design fee.
Somehow when year end review rolled around everyone “forgot” that Survey was being used as a loss leader and constantly told we were under performing.
For WIW,
I’m in microstation training at the moment which is why I can respond here.most of the response times to this are based on that.
when I’m working I’ll usually be unable to post up for days on end.
either way. Jeebus. learning a new platform while still trying master the previous is an unbearable purgatory.
almost. it’s making me stronger.
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