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Mr. or Ms. Cow
This is one of the requirements for reselling loans on the secondary market. The lender has a lovely drawing proving that a certain sized improvement was located on a specific property on a specific date and certified to by a disinterested third party (the surveyor). When that lender resells the loan the new lender gets a copy of the drawing so that they then have a clue as to what it is that they have actually put out their money for. Just in case they would have to foreclose. Then they know what SHOULD be theirs.
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> > “To be removed as per client’s information on DD/MM/YYYY to undersigned” is as far as you were informed.
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> I agree Derek. What a surveyor is giving is a service. If the client needs to show through a plat that he intends to remove a structure then there is absolutely no harm in placing such a note on a plan. It all depends on the wishes of the client and the intended purpose of the plan within common everyday ethics and the rules of your State.“Please don’t get me started on this “charge to protect the public” BS. The BOR spells out quite clearly what the duties of a surveyor are and it is they who set the rules and determine how the public is to be protected. “The abstract concept of “protecting the public” isn’t something the surveyor has to agonize over every time he does a survey”
I disagree. What makes your statement on a survey plat any better or different than the property owner writing a letter stating the same? Why would the lender believe your “to be removed” note? This survey is not a “plan” to do something. If you want that, create a Site Plan.
We’re not talking about “protecting the public” here. We’re talking about protecting yourself.
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Dan
I counted about 138 as best I could tell.
Go to N 40-37-40, W 74-10-45 in Google Earth. This is in Staten Island, and so far as I know, the only mobile home park within City Limits.
Of course, this isn’t counting all the thousands upon thousands of construction trailers all over town…….
For what it’s worth, whether it’s a trailer or a full-fledged mansion, if it’s on the property, we show it.
Supposed in the case in point the structure in question was an actual house, and the client said “Oh yeah, we’re gonna take her down next week….just leave it off the survey, will ya?”
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I Agree With Don
If the existence of a structure on a parcel is important enough for the client to be concerned about it’s presence, then it is important enough to show on your survey.
To aid and abet your client in misleading anyone else who views that survey could and should be considered “negligence’.
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Andy
I’d show the house as it sits now. Put a note, “Per so and so, this home is to be removed.”
Then cash in when they ask to see the new home on the same site.
We have done tons of these. I tell them, if it’s there, I’m showing it. If remove it and want it updated, fine, but it will cost you XXX, which is a small trip charge.
Make some money and CYA at the same time.
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In Oklahoma
We have done several of these sorta related types of surveys in Lawton. Mostly for places that are on the dilapidated list. We show what is current. Just a snap shot in time.
The owner can supply additional data such as a contract for removal and replacement but I have never not shown what was existing nor provided a note say “to be removed” as part of a signed plat.
I’ve seen to many promises broken by owners over they years. They might change their minds after I’ve signed and sealed a document.
If it’s not a plat but a planning document then that falls more into engineering and design and that is something very different. But those do not get filed at the courthouse. Those are working documents for construction.
Deral
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I Agree With Don
WEll, that’s why negligence is judged locally. In my area I can’t force, nor am required to show any particular thing. But I happen to know that the lender nor the Town, nor any other agency is going to accept the survey until all improvements are shown. The hardheaded client that I can’t talk into the proper course of action gets the note. They then get the survey rejected and I get more billable hours to revise it. One works within the system available.
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