Out of Town project- whose responsible?Posted by lanceboyle93101 on May 13, 2019 at 2:47 am
Crew finished early, went to the beach for R&R before turning in the rental car and flight check-in, and got a parking ticket.
In your opinion, Who is responsible for paying the ticket, driver or company?
(I have my opinion but I’m in a bubble, and would like your view).
- 29 Replies
- MemberMay 13, 2019 at 2:58 am
Driver (or Party Chief)
- MemberMay 13, 2019 at 3:03 am
Company – similar and related to its obligations to provide appropriate transport, adequate parking needs to be provided for said transport, if not, the costs incurred therewith need to be reimbursed.
- MemberMay 13, 2019 at 3:24 am
Parking ticket is the worst thing you have to deal with?
Just pay it and forget it unless you are looking for an excuse to fire the guy.
the story I heard regarding a drilling crew, one of the crew had trouble getting up after drinking too much. One morning the foreman got fed up and connected the bed to the truck hitch and gunned it, took the wall of the room with the bed. Company just paid the damages, didn??t say a word, cost of doing business. Good drillers are hard to find.
- MemberMay 13, 2019 at 3:44 am
- MemberMay 13, 2019 at 7:50 am
Is it likely to occur again? If it was just a one off mistake on their part and they are good employees let the company pay it with a warning that next time they would have to pay. If it is likely to be a regular occurrence they need to pay each time.
- MemberMay 13, 2019 at 9:26 am
As an crew chief I would expect to pay, if it were on the job and there was some work related reason the meter was not plugged I would expect the man to pay.
If I were the man I would pay it, never know how irate something like that can make an employee and they might just take it out of the bottom line by another route such as rounding some hours up or whatever.
- MemberMay 13, 2019 at 10:46 am
Oh for the love of god, pay the ticket and be happy they finished on time and on budget.
If you’re trying to exert your authority you will likely lose your employees in tour effort to prove a point and shown them who is boss. People do not like Richard Craniums.
- MemberMay 13, 2019 at 12:17 pm
The person who made the decision to park there. Probably the driver, but someone with greater authority could have told them to.
Certainly not the company, unless there is a policy of ignoring traffic rules, which I doubt..
- MemberMay 13, 2019 at 1:33 pm
I don’t think there’s a difference between a parking and a speeding ticket. If I told them to park in a particular place and that place resulted in a ticket then I’ll pay for it. If I told them to haul ass to a job site and get there as quick as possible and they get a speeding ticket then I’ll pay for it. If they’re not paying attention to parking signs or posted limits when I haven’t given them specific instruction then it’s theirs to deal with.
- MemberMay 13, 2019 at 3:23 pm
Working out of town is a significant hardship, especially for the married guys with families. If your company wants guys to make themselves available for such work your company aught to pay the (comparably trivial) costs. If your company wants to nit pick these things I guess that it was an off the clock thing. But it would be a pyrrhic victory.
- MemberMay 13, 2019 at 4:32 pm
Based on the info provided, the driver pays the ticket.
Considerations to pay/not pay:
- what is company policy
- were the signs misleading
- has this been an issue in the past
- did they go above and beyond to get the job done early, then give them a little break
We do the majority of our work in urban areas, parking is a constant headache. We have secured parking passes (not 100% coverage) to help the crews. Our employee manual clearly states, the driver is responsible. That said, we have taken care of the driver under certain circumstances.
I do however get a bit testy over these things, if the crew cannot pick up on no parking or restricted parking sign details, what are they missing on their field work?
- MemberMay 14, 2019 at 12:07 am
When caught, the ticket is given to the driver.
Without a driver it is issued to the owner of the vehicle.
In Texas each traffic incident puts two points on the offender’s record with DPS and one point can be written off by attending a Defensive Driving course and they can only be taken so many times a year.
When a driver reaches six points, they suspend your license until you pay a hefty fee to DPS and take the course.
Some years ago, I received a DPS letter stating that I had 4 points on my record and if I broke another traffic law I would lose my license.
Went online and found out my helper had had two incidents of leaving the scene of an incident and they hit me the owner of the vehicle with the obligation.
That helper has never driven any of my vehicles again and never will.
I simply became very cautious because our law states something like 3 tickets in 6 months will get your license suspended, so I got thru that grace period and usually I do not get ticketed unless it is a speed trap with the speed sign hiding behind shrubs or other traffic as I pass by.
- MemberMay 14, 2019 at 11:49 am
Does your company have a written policy? If yes, you better follow it.
The parking one is an iffy situation.
Speeding is a no- brainer- driver needs to pay, otherwise you’re fostering an environment were perceived recklessness is tolerated/encouraged and risk greater exposure as a company.
Remember, you get more of what you subsidize.
- MemberMay 14, 2019 at 1:58 pm
If it involves breaking the law then the lawbreaker is responsible. You might decide that the action was in the company interests and re-imburse, but suppose a speeding driver killed somebody – would you volunteer to be locked up on their behalf, and would that be in the company (and other employees) interests?
- MemberMay 14, 2019 at 2:15 pm
The driver is responsible, but if I was happy with the crew and the work I’d pay it anyhow.
- MemberMay 14, 2019 at 3:19 pm
Responsible? Who got the ticket in the mail. Who’s name is on it?
I think that is the answer.
My company passes on red light violations and such to the driver, but I think that is more about wanting drivers to be safe and less about being cheap. Any traffic infractions are on the driver. Parking violations are a bit different. I can see both sides, without accountability behavior is difficult to modify, but at some point things are just petty.-All thoughts my own, except my typos and when I am wrong.
- MemberMay 14, 2019 at 8:15 pm
If you’re asking from the driver’s perspective: You weren’t on the job and your inattention to where you parked or in feeding the meter earned the ticket. Grow up and take responsibility for your own actions.
If I were the party chief, the issue would have never come up. My decision to go to the beach, where to park, and how long to stay. I’d just pay it and never let it become a concern for my boss.
If you’re asking from the owner’s or department manager’s perspective: The crew got the job done under budget, that’s praiseworthy and perhaps they deserved a little R&R at the beach. Yes, you are absolutely right to believe that the driver should take responsibility for the parking ticket. But would you rather be absolutely right, show them whose boss and probably create a morale problem that will most likely translate into decreased productivity in the future and perhaps be a seed factor toward the future loss of a skilled employee, or rise above the squabble over an amount that is probably a small fraction of the additional profit their productivity on the project earned for your company?
If I were in the boss’s position, I would pay the parking ticket for the crew, tell them in a good-natured but firm manner that “this one’s on me, any more will be on you.” I would then update the company policy manual to address situations like this. If you don’t have a company policy manual, you should as long as you have any employees. On one hand, as an employer, you don’t want to encourage irresponsibility among your employees, but on the other, you need to consider the unintended consequences of escalating a small issue into a lesson regarding your authority.
- MemberMay 14, 2019 at 10:53 pm
If I was the driver and I got it because I wasn’t paying attention to signs or whatever then I’d just pay it myself. If the sign was buried in a bush I’d encourage the boss to fight it. If I was the boss I’d tell the party chief the first one’s on me.
- MemberMay 14, 2019 at 10:55 pm
Norman, I can’t help but wonder how many folks know what a pyrrhic victory even is.
- MemberMay 14, 2019 at 11:21 pmPosted by: Just A. Surveyor
Norman, I can’t help but wonder how many folks know what a pyrrhic victory even is.
If they don’t know, they can Google it..
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