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My beautiful new partner – Trimble s5 robot
350RocketMike replied 2 years, 7 months ago 15 Members · 40 Replies
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I want to figure out if I can set her to stop telling me where to go…but still get other audible information. It’s pretty useless when you begin staking out the next point, it’s 10m out and 0.10m left and all she says is Go left!
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In the Trimble Data, the system files contain the voice files.
We changed ours to funny homer Simpson and other varieties of personality based files in the past.
Not sure if that still possible…<goes and grabs the TSC7 to find out…>
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You want Semi-Active mode for 99% of survey work.
Uses the diodes to track you during movement, then switches to passive mode when you initiate a measurement to get better precision. Best of both worlds.
For stakeout, there’s a ton of info that you can customize on the display depending on what you are staking out i.e., point, polyline, alignment, surface etc. Once you enter the stakeout dialog tap on the Options button at bottom and configure however you want. Tap the Save to Style button to save current settings to be the default.
“…people will come to love their oppression, to adore the technologies that undo their capacities to think.” -Neil Postman -
Posted by: @350rocketmike
Well today is the first time I ever locked onto a taillight despite the active prism. Couldn??t figure out why I had 148m distance error trying to back sight. Never happened with the Leica. It could occasionally get stuck on a window but would never shoot it. Things happen but it??s always so much harder when you??re trying to learn a new software alone and trying to do a 20 point pinning before dark and it??s 5 already. Deep breaths.
I’m following this thread very closely as I am too sometimes frustrated with the time it takes a Leica type robot to find the prism in a very congested environment. I was hoping that an active prism would eliminate those false locks/readings. Occasionally Leica robots look at a tinted window , or a tail light, but they always discard them and keep looking for a real prism. Have patience Mike, and keep us posted.
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Posted by: @ramsesPosted by: @350rocketmike
Well today is the first time I ever locked onto a taillight despite the active prism. Couldn??t figure out why I had 148m distance error trying to back sight. Never happened with the Leica. It could occasionally get stuck on a window but would never shoot it. Things happen but it??s always so much harder when you??re trying to learn a new software alone and trying to do a 20 point pinning before dark and it??s 5 already. Deep breaths.
I’m following this thread very closely as I am too sometimes frustrated with the time it takes a Leica type robot to find the prism in a very congested environment. I was hoping that an active prism would eliminate those false locks/readings. Occasionally Leica robots look at a tinted window , or a tail light, but they always discard them and keep looking for a real prism. Have patience Mike, and keep us posted.
It will get better. I got to talk to another employee who has used the latest Trimble for close to a year now and he was able to solve several of my issues. Station offset is most easily done in point manager, stake closest only works after taking a physical shot (or I??m hoping just switching to tracking mode). I just figured out how to do station elevation (I didn??t understand their wording or why you have to tell it to ??store another ??. Maybe because fieldgenius was Canadian so their terminology matched up with ours so much better.
We have whitely conditions all morning so I??m catching up on field notes and setting up my hot keys and figuring out more Trimble access quirks hopefully. Thanks for all the help.
btw as for the tracking??the active prism is definitely better at keeping a lock and usually at regaining but there are situations where the Leica would outdo it. As soon as the Trimble loses me it just keeps looking in the same spot??if I walk past a truck or small obstacle I have 5 seconds with the Leica and if I keep my pace steady and the grade is steady it will get me on the other side because it keeps following your previous path. Sometimes this works out other times you end up with the ts looking at the ground or the sky because you jumped off a small ledge and it lost you just at that moment.
With Trimble I now know that if it loses me and doesn??t regain I should stop and hit search immediately if I have line of sight so I don??t have to use the joystick to regain lock. -
Posted by: @350rocketmike
As soon as the Trimble loses me it just keeps looking in the same spot??if I walk past a truck or small obstacle I have 5 seconds with the Leica and if I keep my pace steady and the grade is steady it will get me on the other side because it keeps following your previous path. Sometimes this works out other times you end up with the ts looking at the ground or the sky because you jumped off a small ledge and it lost you just at that moment.
With Trimble I now know that if it loses me and doesn??t regain I should stop and hit search immediately if I have line of sight so I don??t have to use the joystick to regain lock.Predictive tracking can be modified in the target control settings.
Unfortunately I don’t think it goes beyond three seconds of tracking when the prism is behind a target, but changing from one to three seconds might help.
“…people will come to love their oppression, to adore the technologies that undo their capacities to think.” -Neil Postman -
Posted by: @350rocketmike
I want to figure out if I can set her to stop telling me where to go
Buddy, if you have a SWMBO give up now, it ain’t worth it. ????
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I figured out Trimble tracking by standing behind the instrument (not gun it??s not a gun dammit) and watch it track the other guy. When you go behind a tree it guess and looks on the other side, if it doesn??t find you it goes back to where it last saw you. Try to use consistent speed when you approach and go past the tree, stop on the other side to give it a chance to find you.
The Leica instruments I used were frustrating, if a truck went in front of it while it was trying to measure it would take minutes for it to recover from its hurt feelings. The Trimble will not have these long hurt feelings pauses.
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@350rocketmike yes set up your predictive settings for the Trimble. I have worked with both lieca and Trimble. No way in the world that a lieca will out perform in congested area or woods. Also i saw you have the new tsc5. If it has the built in gps. Set up your gps search function. When you get that function plus all other settings right you will be looking for ways to lose lock. I love the gos search except when I forget to get some shots good distance from the gun to get it calibrated. Lots of tools in that equipment for many configurations . When i used leica i loved the laser pointer. With non vision s5 i like the track lights being on. Makes it easy to see for an old man far off which way she is looking.
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Just wondering if the S5 site calibration procedure is similar to Leica’s, how often you have to do it and what affects it the most (vibrations , temperature variation). The Zoom 90s we use now are mostly affected by temperature change. Also, is there a way to use the MT1000 without a pole to replace a mini prism, and what kind of accuracy can be expected? I sometimes have to transfer points on lines (gridlines) on top of forms that are 16′ high, or more and I wonder how the S5/7 handles the search for a passive mini prism at a steep angle, or if the MT1000 could be used for this.
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Calibration routine is through the data collector, my boss was told they have to be done pretty frequently. I did it every few months on the Leica and it showed barely any changes. I??m hoping this one will be the same because I??m very gentle with it.
As of late yesterday I??m starting to get along with the software a lot better. I used the blizzard time to setup all 12 hot keys.
I don??t know if I would want to use the mt1000 as a mini because it??s so large and slippery to hold (and expensive). It??s a 5? prism so basically the 3? instrument is 5? while using it. Shots take a lot longer than the Leica did unless you have it in TRK mode. Setting nails on footings yesterday I had to wait 4-5 seconds each time for the shot because I want these nails set within 0.004m.
Good news is every one of my old setups so far my back sight distance is 0.000-0.001m from what I got with the Leica.
I think the search at steep angles might be tough. I was at a steep angle for a couple of the nails yesterday and lost my lock, when I went to search clicking the joystick with the stylus while watching the robot to get it close to me was very tricky. Keep in mind I??m still very new to the machine but I was in that case wishing I had the s7 camera. Also some bug in access makes it randomly freeze for a few seconds and not respond to touch, makes using the joystick harder. Hopefully an update fixes it. Doesn??t seem to be the hardware as it never happens in Android outside Trimble access.
Your last couple questions I don??t know the answer to yet. We get wild swings in temperature here. Low of -19 high of minus 2 kind of thing. I never really noticed it affect any of the instruments before. -
Which Leica did you use? The TCRP1203+ did exactly as you say only it would keep going for 5 seconds and then just stop. A truck driving by was never a problem if you were standing still. It recovered the exact second the truck was gone. If you were in the middle of a shot you would just have to take the shot again. No real issue.
What I??m finding is that there are times where one is frustrating to use and times when the other one is. -
I didn??t see the gps search in the settings anywhere and forgot all about it. Maybe the tsc5 doesn??t have it? I ask didn??t see predictive settings.
I don??t know why the regular Trimble search has such a narrow range unlike powersearch on the Leica. I have to get it very close to me before hitting search.
Definitely it??s better in the woods and I had a lot of that the day before yesterday to test it. Construction sites with vehicles blocking site I think at this point the Leica would outdo it just because of the good 5 seconds of prediction. -
@350rocketmike I will have to get me a tsc5 in my hand before purchasing for sure. I am just getting back into this field work. But Trimble access doesn??t seem a lot different than survey controller just different look and naming on some things. On the joy stick icon app or whatever folks call it on the screen. You have different speeds the instrument will turn when you click on it. If you click and hold additional settings come up for like the search area box and predictions. I could be wrong they might have changed it. All i know is last week i walked by a 20×20 shed not more than 150 feet from instrument i never broke stride and when i appeared on the other side she said target locked. I don??t move that fast and she predicted where i was. Also one of the guys didn??t think he had gps search on his tsc7. But i said it has to be because he had geotagged an image setting. He figured out how to turn his gps on in the tsc7 and i think how to turn on gps search. Don??t quote me. I used survey controller a lot and was leaving private sector just as the old tsc3 came out and gps search was introduced. I hope they didn??t remove it. I use the tsc3 mostly now with s5. My biggest complaint is I can??t read the screen without my cheaters (glasses for extending the arm) lol and then walk without tripping lol. I am supposed to get a tsc5 to test. I am finishing up some accounting on farm for tax man. But once i am done I will try and read up on all the settings. Has to be a way for modifying all the search settings. Surely in help menu or some Trimble instructors know.
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@350rocketmike i did a very quick almighty google search. Found a manual by Trimble on tsc5 it does have the capability for an internal gnss and another search for Trimble access latest version pdf by Trimble on general survey around page 350 +/- has the info on how to set up gps gnss search etc. i read briefly above in that same document about target settings and a few other functions so i am sure there is a way to modify how it tracks you and such. In some menu. I would start with instrument settings in my survey style if they still use that term. Usually Trimble gives you more than on place to do any function. Like survey style were all your settings were but you could modify a shot or measurements or a function during a survey under options or something. Hope this helps. Some. I would dive into every manual every resource when your relaxing at night watching some reruns you will find that there are always hidden gems in the manuals or someone on YouTube. Or a forum. You might read something then a year later your out working and bam you remembered someone else did something that will help you in a pickle. Now back to boring tax and accounting.
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Got it! Thanks. Some of the settings I was able to do just with the collector sitting in the truck waiting out the blizzard. Others I have to turn on and connect to the robot just to access them. This will help a lot though.
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@350rocketmike hey use to you could ask your local dealer for an stand alone little survey controller that could be run on a computer. It was nothing fancy but would allow you the ability to play around with out having the data collectors itself connected to gps or total station. I liked it for playing around with all the cogo and such functions. Because I could figure out ways to do calcs and still check them on office software at the same time. Emulator maybe it was called. Who knows. Lol.
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True. I will look into that. I was able to get one for Leica captivate. What I really wanted was a trial version like I got of Carlson survPC so I could run the Leica 1200+ with it and test it out. I thought it looked really easy to use in the emulator but you don??t always think of things to try until you need to do it in the field. That wasn??t going to happen anyway as the office is switching to all Trimble and doesn??t want any other new software besides the existing microsurvey stuff that is being slowly phased out. Now that I got upgraded to a used R10 rover it makes sense to go all Trimble.
It??s not a huge deal anyway to play around at home as the equipment comes home with me at night and I can pull it out and fire it at my desk. I set changed to 3 seconds of prediction and turned on gps search. I always increased the search window from the ridiculous 30 degrees to 100.
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Posted by: @ramses
I wonder how the S5/7 handles the search for a passive mini prism at a steep angle, or if the MT1000 could be used for this.
Definitely don’t use the MT1000 at a steep angle, it’s not meant for that sort of work, especially if you’re in tracking mode:
“…people will come to love their oppression, to adore the technologies that undo their capacities to think.” -Neil Postman -
So if I am doing a pinning in a situation like this when I get to the couple close corners that are a bit steep I should be switching to my Leica round prism even if I’m shooting in passive mode?
Edit: I tried to check the raw data in the data collector to see what the actual vertical angle was on the steepest shots but it didn’t seem to show it anywhere, maybe because I had elevations turned off. I did measure good distances with the tape on those really steep shots though.
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