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@adam Now that can solve lots of problems for sure. Â This is a good thread. I not being licensed yet but under one was retracing one that had some discrepancies. I called the surveyor up and just asked what am I doing wrong. I cannot seem to follow this and I am trying to learn. We talked and he looked over his data and said son you are not wrong I made a mistake and you should go with what you have and I will fix my issue. I could have been wrong and learned something. I always assume I am wrong first.
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@fairbanksls I thought I had stated I surveyed for an old Client. I found all the pins relatively close to their record position. The original survey was done in 1970. I assume the original Surveyor had an EDM, but from retracing many of his other surveys he was a little inaccurate with reducing his slope distances to horizontal. Many of that era never even bothered to reduce their measurements. Newbie relied on a corner that had been set by another newbie, that was not part of this Subdivision. How he determined how to set his pin is undeterminable. It appears he projected the record bearing from the east to intersect the north-south line. All is immaterial in my opinion because an unbent pin is at the fence corner in the same condition as all other three pins.
Its Spring here one day Winter the next.
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I suspect the new surveyor had a measurement that didn’t fit the existing pin something set a new one.
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It seems like I was at a seminar that said surveyors, courts, judges and lawyers don’t validate our surveys that land owners do.  When they see our corners and use the pins and accept them that validates our work.  In this case if both land owners don’t like the pin then they should pull it.  It hardly ever works though since one side feels they are losing ground.
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1970 subdivision probably means the surveyor did not have an EDM. This was a transit chain survey laid out like most of those surveys were. Finding an original monument near an old fence corner should be a happy dance moment. The default position is always to accept a monument, it’s on the rejector to prove it’s been disturbed. Maybe it can be argued that the fence corner occupies the original position, but that’s probably it.
That’s only my opinion from a distance without any knowledge beyond Skeeter’s description.Â
His seems very reasonable.Â
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Many years ago I was following the work of an excellent surveyor and found a two foot mistake. It was a case of a subdivision with no alley between lots facing parallel streets. The lots on the west had a different layout than those on the east. This created tricorners along the common back line of a property. In this specific case, the distances between two corners of one lot and the divide line between two lots fell at 24 feet from one corner and 26 feet from the other. The plat indicated that should be 26 feet (not 24) and 24 feet (not 26). A very simple mistake to make, especially if holding a tape with 0 on one corner and 50 on the other.
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I’m in the same camp as Stacy Carroll (and most likely the majority of folks here) that I would rather get a call to discuss my survey if another Surveyor disagrees with my conclusions. I’ve run into a couple of the “newly registered” folks over the past 30 + years, but never one who took the stance you describe above. In regard to him filing Certificate of Survey indicating the monument “appeared to be disturbed” and your inspection of same does not indicate this condition of the monument, I would venture a guess that if this goes any further, the newly registered individual is about to learn a very valuable lesson that we all have learned over the years…
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Apparently the only recourse would be to go Court to have him remove his pin which he stated.
Don’t you have a State Board of Registration or Licensure?
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A few days ago, he used a skid steer bucket to round up all of the junk and tore out the bar by accident. The old fellow wants to put a bar back where that one had been at his own expense, even though it is the fault of the neighbor.
These two statements are at odds with each other. If he tore out the bar how is his neighbor at fault?
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It was the neighbor who piled scrap in the corner and then removed it. Must not have phrased my collection of pronouns correctly.
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I’m looking for advice on how to handle a Pin Farmer. An old Client called me about a new pin that had been set 2.20 feet from his fence corner. He was concerned because the new pin put his entire western fence trespassing on the west neighbor’s property. I went out and verified the situation. The original pin was still in place at his fence corner and the new pin was indeed 2.20 feet inside his fence and also directly in line with his north fence. I contacted the Surveyor, newly licensed, who had set the new pin by email requesting his methodology and reasoning for setting a new pin. He replied quite belligerently that in his professional opinion the original pin had been disturbed and he was going to stand by his pin. He also stated he was offended that I would question his pin’s position. Apparently the only recourse would be to go Court to have him remove his pin which he stated. An expensive endeavor. I advised my client to notify his neighbor to the north that his Surveyor had created a 2.2 foot jog at the fence corner and he would have to construct his new fence to his Surveyor’s pin and not to my client’s fence corner to avoid trespassing on the neighbor to the west. A pretty stupid situation created by an Egotistical Surveyor. Opinions?
I’ll do a bit of devil’s advocate and say just because a guy is arrogant doesn’t mean he’s wrong.
But clearly poor form to not share your survey even if you’re unwilling to discuss it.
Maybe an experience like this will be humbling for the guy.
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Take the young surveyor out for lunch and a beer. Show him the light or lite. Whichever.
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Order yourself a good micro, and hand him a Bud Lite?
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-All thoughts my own, except my typos and when I am wrong.
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