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Anyone know the Surveyor? Yikes!!
https://www.yahoo.com/news/colorado-police-hunt-gunman-3-152830314.html
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This discussion was modified 10 months ago by
Wendell. Reason: Moved to Strictly Surveying (since it is surveying related)
yahoo.com
Colorado police hunt gunman after 3 people killed in quadruple shooting over property dispute
Colorado police said Hanme K. Clark, 45, allegedly shot four people over a property dispute on Monday, killing three of them, before fleeing in a white Dodge Ram pickup truck.
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From the news release, glad he is safe but really hurts to see how consumed people are with their boundaries.
“A surveyor was on the property line with the group when the shooting happened, but managed to get away safely”
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An update to the story…they caught the guy 5 1/2 hours away in New Mexico. Thankfully.
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Whoa.
Close call.
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I have not seen any news story that mentions the land surveyor. The shooter was not a land owner, but was staying at the Herbal Gardens Wellness as a caregiver to his girlfriend. She witnessed the shooting and was in his vehicle when he was arrested New Mexico yesterday.
Here is an investigative report by KOAA, a local TV station regarding the longstanding land dispute.
The shooter’s mugshot is scary as hell.
koaa.com
Lengthy neighbors' dispute investigators say led to deadly shooting
Nearly as soon as the land was donated to Herbal Garden Wellness, court records indicate the organization had issues with its neighbors.
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>The shooter was not a land owner
Say what? Makes no sense if the root cause was a boundary dispute as reported.
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I realize we all say things like, “I can’t believe…”, or “I don’t understand why people get so upset over property boundaries”, and the comments are more of a reaction than an attempt at insight. However, one of the numerous lectures I give my party chiefs goes something like:
There have been innumerable wars fought over boundaries. Assume that clients and abutters are like most humans throughout history, willing to die over an inch of ground. Be surprised when people find amicable solutions to boundary disputes.
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It doesn’t make any sense even if he were a land owner.
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Also, maybe the guy didn’t try to kill the surveyor since he wasn’t one of the owners.
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Easements are very powerful. The average citizen has no comprehension of the power of them. Yet, people gladly sign them routinely in order to accomplish some immediate goal or necessity.
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canoncitydailyrecord.com
Custer County murder suspect taken into custody in New Mexico
Hanme K. Clark, the Westcliffe man accused of murdering three neighbors and injuring one other on Monday, was taken into custody Tuesday afternoon during a high-risk felony traffic stop by New Mexi…
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The above account includes the names and ages of the victims.
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The following account says the surveyor ran a half-mile to get away from the scene. No name for the surveyor is provided.
sentinelcolorado.com
Police capture man accused of killing 3 in ongoing Westcliffe property dispute - Sentinel Colorado
Officers found a weapon in the pickup truck, but it's not clear if it was the weapon used in the slayings.
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Westcliffe is a fiesty neighborhood, as even the newspapers are battling with each other.
https://coloradosun.com/2023/10/03/westcliffe-colorado-newspaper-war/
coloradosun.com
While many Colorado communities are losing their local newspapers, Custer County readers are divided between a traditional, 100-year-old paper and a right-wing newcomer
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Oh, my! I will not provide a link to the story of more dissension in the general vicinity of Westcliffe. The headlines tend to use terms that politically correct media no longer use. Simply search for Tenacious Unicorn Ranch. Oh, my!
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Tried comparing Google Maps to the view of the properties and lanes provided in the stories. There is a very substantial building at lat 38.218084, long -105.364215. That appears to be on the triangle to the east of the non-profit triangular tract. Can’t see anything substantial of the non-profit tract.
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Agree.
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Facts:
The killer’s actions will ultimately have ZERO impact on the easement rights of the surrounding properties, even if a court decision/declaration has not yet been finalized.
It appears that they have been but to the dismay of an idiot.
The killer’s actions will not aide in the suffering and/or recovery of any PTSD patients.
Thank you Gene, for the picture you posted
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There was a Surveyor working there and when the gunfire broke out he ran a half mile to the nearest house.
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If I had been the surveyor and attempted to run a half-mile, the first ambulance on scene would have been needed about two hundred yards away where I would have been found gasping for air until I stopped……permanently.
Actually, I would have turned to the gunman and requested his name and address so I would have someone alive to send my invoice for services rendered. No future in running.
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The woman with him has been identified and charged.
Wednesday, November 22, 2023, WESTCLIFFE, CO: 1500 hrs
Nancy Rae Medina-Kochis is charged with accessory to a crime, pending the continuing investigation into the November 20, 2023, triple homicide in Westcliffe, CO. She and shooting suspect Hanme K. Clark are being held in New Mexico while awaiting extradition to Colorado.
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