Needing new tyres for my Nissan D22 twincab, General Grabber AT2 have been suggested as a good option. Apparently they are new here and 'come from America'. Tyre company also suggested Bridgestone D697 at $30 more.
Any comments on the General appreciated thanks.
I don't want a noisy harsh tyre when on bitumen/ hotmix.
Needs to have reasonable mud, wet grass grip and not slide all over place in wet highways.
I saw a lot of my model when in Hawaii so expect those style of vehicle are common amongst the surveying fraternity.
I agree with the AT type and would go with a 235/85 R16 AT style in your wheel size, be it 15, 16 or 18.
They work well on all my trucks, the 1989 F150 and the 2001 Toyota Tacoma.
General Grabber AT 2 235/85 R16 run $139ea
BF Goodrich ATs
Aggressive tread, looks like a snow tire, but very quite on the road.
When it was time to replace whatever came on my last three Jeeps, The ATs were selected.
Paul in PA
I've had much better luck with the grabbers- both in terms of road noise and longevity- than the bridgestones. That's after 3 sets of bridgestones. I was willing to give the first set a "fluke" pass, the second set wasn't any better, and I was in a hurry and didn't have time to shop much for the third set. They weren't bad tires by any means, and the reviews are good- but the generals have been far better. Of course, if I'm consistent then I might have to consider this first set "fluky" good.
Oh, i should mention I guess that I run 10 ply.
We like Cooper Discover A/T3. Ride good on road, perform good off road.
http://us.coopertire.com/Tires/Light-Truck/DISCOVERER-A-T3.aspx
My wife has been running BF Goodrich All Terrain TA KO tires on her S10 trucks on the mail route for several years now.
http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/tire-selector/category/off-road-tires/all-terrain-t-a-ko/tire-details
She runs a 117 mile route, 62 miles of it being dirt road, and gets about 1/3rd the flats with these tires compared to the Bridgestone Revo's she was running. Thicker sidewalls, less flex. more of a square cross-section so less chance of getting a stob in the sidewall. She has pulled out 1 ton service trucks that are stuck and blocking the road . She won't consider buying anything else. It's not the right tire if you have a lot of black gumbo or thick clay but works real good in the sandy soils we have.
I have the same style of tire on my 3/4 ton personal truck but it only gets driven about 3k a year. My company truck is on the 3rd set of Toyo Open Country tires.
James
BF Goodrich ATs
> Aggressive tread, looks like a snow tire, but very quite on the road.
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> When it was time to replace whatever came on my last three Jeeps, The ATs were selected.
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> Paul in PA
Very good snow tires in my opinion.
My brother is on his 3rd set of Toyo Open County MT's. He has a very lifted 3/4 diesel. I don't know what size tires he runs, but they are in the 35"+ height range to give you an idea.
He got 60,000 miles out of the first set and 50,000 out of the second set. That was also with even wear (no cupping).
That is un-heard of with large, aggressive off road tires.
I just bought a set of M/T's in 285-75-16 and am looking forward to seeing how they do. It was $1400 mounted w/valve stems. Under my brother's advise, I did not have them balanced.
My brother used to work at a tire shop, so he has seen a lot of tires come into the shop.
I have no problem with the general at series around here. It's getting hard to buy a 'bad' tire if you stick with a major brand not seating with 'M'. That being said tire selection is purpose driven. If it's mostly mud I prefer smaller rim but tall and skinny. Rocks I go with 20 inch rims and 10 ply tires. Parts of our desert eat sidewalls..
Whatever you run consider mounting a compressor in the rig. You can get through impassable mud fluctuating tire pressure but once back on the hardball 20 pounds doesn't cut it..
> I have no problem with the general at series around here. It's getting hard to buy a 'bad' tire if you stick with a major brand not seating with 'M'. That being said tire selection is purpose driven. If it's mostly mud I prefer smaller rim but tall and skinny. Rocks I go with 20 inch rims and 10 ply tires. Parts of our desert eat sidewalls..
> Whatever you run consider mounting a compressor in the rig. You can get through impassable mud fluctuating tire pressure but once back on the hardball 20 pounds doesn't cut it..
Generally speaking, the tires that come on new trucks (usually Bridgestones), are not very good tires. With that said, there are a lot of brand new "take-offs" available at a relatively inexpensive cost compared to buying new tires.
The tires that come on new vehicles aren't the same as the ones you buy at the tire store. Generally vehicle manufactures award tire companies bids for supplying tires to put on their vehicles. They aren't quite the same standard as the original ones. They cheap them out and they just don't last as long as the same model that you would buy at the tire store.
That being said, I only got just over 30,000 on a set of Grabbers that came with my new 2002 Nissan Frontier back then. I think that's what Richard has. My replacement tires were Bidgestone AT Duelers LT 31X10.5X15 and I got pert near [msg=70141]90,000[/msg] miles out of those. They had excellent traction both on and off road, and wore very good. I was very happy with them.
Right now I have BF AT's LT 31 inchers and I don't think they're as good. The LT's will last longer than P type tires. More ply's.
31" BFG T/A KOs as wide as the wheel wells allow on my 2" spring lifted TJ Wrangler, used mostly on desert sand and rocks. Pricey +- $200 per tire. Not harsh on the highway, incredible grip when aired down, tough as nails. A bit chirpy in parking lot turns even with unlocked diffs. I've probably seen 20 flats on the trail (sidewall punctures usually) and am still waiting for my first one (except for busted valve stems).
Downside is a seriously limited tread life due to a fairly soft compound, and chunking on my rig because of too many rock crawling miles @ 12psi and 120° ambient. People have told me they're not so good as mudders unless you go real skinny and tall, too much floatation.
Popular with racers. 25 overall victories out of the past 28 runnings of the grueling Baja 1000. Needless to say, the brand dominates SCORE’s premier races. Of course, they don't care about tread life ;-). Supposedly with the new KO2's BFG has beefed up the sidewall (unknown why, the sidewall is supertough for recreational wheeling), increased tread life by 20% and made bigger side lugs for better cornering bite at high speeds offroad (as if that matters to us). As a work tire, maybe they don't pencil out, but as a fun tire they're the shizzle!
Thanks for the many comments. Much appreciated.
Some users sure get high mileage. Mine were cactus at 32000 km's not miles, but had been over inflated (according to tyre bods, but they were the ones I'd go to check my pressure.) I run nitrogen. Not sure if its any advantage, but sounded okay so paid up.
I ended with the AT2 Grabber. They were nearly $30 cheaper than the Bridgestone D697.
Both 'looked' very nice tyres. $235 each
The tyre seller said the Grabber had a very good rave at your end, even better than BF G's.
Anyway, I drove home in the wet and they actually felt very good and didn't make any undue noise nor feel skittish on the wet bitumen.
brand new "take-offs" available at a relatively inexpensive cost I thought about that but nothing in that range.
Only down side from my visit was a crunched rear end where someone backed into me and pushed the side in rather!!. Thankfully I didn't have my gear in, I normally carry poles, prisms etc on that side and they may have come off second best.
I'll make some comments if needed after a more extended use.
Other than the painful blow to the wallet, it feels good driving out of the tire shop with brand new tires. It's like getting new boots.
That set of Toyo Open County M/T's cost me $350 each mounted.
Expensive, but it includes a great replacement warranty, including free rotation.
That is worth something.
Careful to not get political....Our current leaders thought it prudent to impose an import tax on all tires that are produced overseas. This was supposedly to level the playing field and create competition? All it did for me is raise the cost of my tires (they are made in Japan).
My current tires on both vehicles are Nexen 235/85R Roadian A/T II rated around 10ply and will get around 50k miles from them.
They are designed for dully setups and stand up and will not squat cause the sidewalls are at least 8ply. They can be had in higher ply ratings.
Got two sets at one time for $1,200 monunted and balanced and comes with free mount and balance for life of tire.
The diameter is 32in x 9in width. The speedometer is spot on in the Toyota and the Ford shows 5mph faster than actual speed after a gear replacement for the speedometer cable. Finding a new speedometer gear for the 4 speed granny transmission is not an option.
Mud Terrain tires are some road gripping mud blasters that don't drift and will definitely get you there and back. They do not stand up well on asphalt roads and may only get you 15k miles a set. Summer months melt them like ice cream.
Every time I go in for new tires the have something new in stock as the manufactures get caught up in retooling and import and export fees.
I like Cooper Tires except the sidewalls are too thin for off road use.
> My current tires on both vehicles are Nexen 235/85R Roadian A/T II rated around 10ply and will get around 50k miles from them.
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> They are designed for dully setups and stand up and will not squat cause the sidewalls are at least 8ply. They can be had in higher ply ratings.
Take a look at the information on the sidewall. I would bet they have an 8 ply tread and a 2 or 3ply sidewall, which is rated at a 10 ply tire.
Just saying, because I just went through this buying tires. That is a heavy duty tire and you should not be getting any flats.
